Sturmovik

[moon puppy]

Thanks Les, I'm not to worried about the colors, so many questions about those VSS paint chips I'll let the folks who are more into it make the call. I'm just enjoying a nice little kit.

BTW, this is Post shade, I have yet to get a Pre shade to work with me, maybe because i have such a heavy hand on the airbrush. Maybe the blues on a post shade will work better for you, but hey, who am I telling you about paint techniques!

 

[matrixone]

Bob,
Don't matter if it was done by pre or post shading the paint job on the undersurface looks great, you will be surprised how little of what you did will show on the finished model after the markings and flat coat are on it but with this weathering technique a little goes a long way.
You don't want the model to look like a quilt.

BTW, with the pre-shading technique use paint thinned more than usual when covering up the pre-shading, this way you have a lot of control when covering it up, just ''fog'' on a few light coats of paint and step back and see if it needs more or not.

Matrixone

 

[phantom II]

How's this?

Bob, I think that looks a lot closer than before .

I have read that the Akan colors seem to be somewhat darker than the paint chips .

On the other hand, the chips are a copy of the original Russian color guides kept in a museum. Very much the same as the RLM standarts .

No matter how much those guys on VVS argue about paint, this is what the reference the painters tried to go by . However, we know that it's not always reality. Just like sometimes the called for colors were not used.

Cheers, Christian B)

 

[moon puppy]

Bob,

BTW, with the pre-shading technique use paint thinned more than usual when covering up the pre-shading, this way you have a lot of control when covering it up, just ''fog'' on a few light coats of paint and step back and see if it needs more or not.

Matrixone

Thanks Les, might try that on top side. :hmmm


Thanks Chris, yeah I'm not that worried about the color, it'll be off no matter what I do. I know if I got a can of the original paint that had been in suspended animation for the last 70 years, someone would say it was wrong.

 

[phantom II]

Well, you know Just as the chips have probably shifted over the years . So would the paint

Cheers, Christian B)

 

[moon puppy]

I got some paint sprayed last night, pretty sure it's wrong but it's what I went with. I could not get a clear answer to what to use for the green so I went with Model Masters Green Drab, when I loaded up a paint chip at that paint conversion website that's what it showed as a close match.

I'm going to get the camo applied, decals on, seal it THEN...give it a white winter coat just like with the armor. Hopefully the original markings will be barely visible and enough camo in place where we can't tell I used the wrong colors anyway!

I'll try to get some pictures this evening.

 

[phantom II]

Evidence man . We need evidence :idonno

Cheers, Christian B)

 

[Phil]

I'm going to get the camo applied, decals on, seal it THEN...give it a white winter coat just like with the armor. Hopefully the original markings will be barely visible and enough camo in place where we can't tell I used the wrong colors anyway!

Don't sweat it over "correct" Russian WWII VVS colours Bob, it will just do your head in.

Go with what you feel is right, after viewing so many sites there seems to be no consistency at all with the so called correct colours used,

you either see photos of worn out paint or aircraft that have been buried in swamps/water then removed so you see what colours? that have been tainted for so many years.

http://sovietwarplanes.com/board/index.php?topic=1655.0

green colours by modellers,
http://vvs.hobbyvista.com/ModelGallery/yak7_48.php

http://www.internetmodeler.com/scalemodels/aviation/Ilyushin-DB-3-Il-4_printer.php

http://www.hyperscale.com/features/2000/mig3ws_1.htm


VVS Colors, 1941-45:
Popular Paint Brand Equivalents
http://vvs.hobbyvista.com/ColorResearch/paints.php

You can spend hours trying to work them out, in the end all you have is a headache.

 

[moon puppy]

Hey Phil, I ran that paint chip on the earlier page through that conversion site, told me that Model Master Intermediate Blue was a close match, yeah that middle USNavy color in the tricolor scheme. Go figure!

Thanks, I was looking for that last link.

 

[phantom II]

Some good material Phill B)

I had Learstang on this site for a while but he did not stay long.


As far as I'm concerned , I could use your statement " Don't sweat it over "correct" Russian WWII VVS colours Bob, it will just do your head in " for any country's paint system if I dig around some.


I don't necessarily agree that any old paint will do . After all, we are trying to imitate real life without taking all the fun out of the building process. :coolio

Cheers, Christian B)

 

[Gator]

Looking good Bob.

 

[Phil]

Hi Christian, no wasn't meaning to say any old colour will do ,more to the effect of close enough is good enough and hours and hours of searching does take the fun out of painting Russian WWII birds.

Debate and discussions could go on forever about the paints, at least the model paint manufacturers have certain colours for certain countries, UK, Germany, USA, Australia - but the Russian side of it is pretty poorly represented in my opinion.

When Eduard and Academy say use RLM02 for interiors! that's where I say not a chance.

Even they seem to have no idea what the correct interior colours were, so what chance do we really have!

here's a chart I had on one of my bookmarks,

http://www.cybermodeler.com/color/vvs_comp.shtml

one I recently came across
http://sovietwarplanes.com/board/index.php?topic=1655.0
the debate rages on!

resto
http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/50991/38-russia-air-force-ilyushin-il-2-sturmovik/

resto
http://shelbs2.deviantart.com/art/Ilyushin-Il-2-Sturmovik-2-283305903

http://shelbs2.deviantart.com/art/Ilyushin-Il-2-Sturmovik-283305149

http://shelbs2.deviantart.com/art/Ilyushin-Il-2-Sturmovik-Assembled-2-287906125

Really hard to work out the ''right'' colours with not much to go on as this pic shows, could be colourised, who knows.
http://www.asisbiz.com/Battles/Barbarossa/pages/Soviet-AF-Ilyushin-IL-2-Sturmovik-red-9-being-salvaged-by-German-troops-Barbarossa-1941.html

also some great photo's on that site, Armor too!

this from Wiki,,
Joseph Stalin paid the Il-2 a great tribute in his own inimitable manner: when a particular production factory fell behind on its deliveries, Stalin sent an angrily-worded cable to the factory manager, stating "They are as essential to the Red Army as air and bread." "I demand more machines. This is my final warning!"

now if this is true, what would that factory manager thought and said to his workers - I reckon he said stuff the right shade's of paint! mix some browns, greens and blues and slap it on, get them out there!! - in Russian of course!!!



Roll on Bob, it's a good feeling when you finish that bird!!!

 

[phantom II]

I totally agree with the last statement . Here we are, more than 65 years latter and the arguments still rage on .

The point I was trying to make, though is that I have poured through a lot of blah, blah , blah over the past few year . I have even found a modeler that made a color chart with the actual paint company's ideas of the same color. All quite different from one another. :pp Yipes

None the less, without a bit of research to have an idea of where to start, I have no idea where I'm headed.

I think that one of the most generalized color is the under surface blue that so many countries employed.

From what I was told about the Russian blue ( translated ) means relates to the blue of the sky . Most likely what you see above the haze .

I remember seeing a over all sky blue French Breguet Alize when I was quite young . It was a very stark contrast to other paints used . Very sky blue .

This is not a rant by the way, it's only me trying to explain color variations.

It would be so nice if a paint manufacturer would come up with paints that require no blending, it would be fabulous.

Actually, Humbrol made such a claim in the 70's but I doubt that it was true.

Cheers, Christian B)

 

[moon puppy]

Before someone slaps this one me
:nopics

here's some pics...

Clear coat tomorrow then some decals. :coolio

 

[phantom II]

Yeah Bob. Starting to look very Rusky !

Cheers, Christian B)

 

[Paulw]

 

[jknaus]

Looking good Bob.
James

 

[lupanzer]

...nice...

Luiz.

 

[moon puppy]

Gloss coats on, decals, then another gloss to seal them in. Taking minimalist scheme now...

Wanted to see what my demark looked like between the blue and camo, should be finer, gotta work on that airbrush control.

The fun starts next.... :coolio

 

[phantom II]

Gloss coats on, decals, then another gloss to seal them in. Taking minimalist scheme now...

Wanted to see what my demark looked like between the blue and camo, should be finer, gotta work on that airbrush control.

The fun starts next.... :coolio

Generally looking good. I think you can take care of demarcation line with the rest of the camo :fencing

Cheers, Christian B)