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THINGS ABOUT 3' s (July 26th Update)

Really interesting Ian! The way you are with this is the way I am with the early VW vehicles. Have many books and a lot of info on them. Wish I still had some of the old ones I used to own, but they had to go to better homes after the big D.

Really appreciate the break down on the details. This is one of those tanks I have always liked, but have never dug deep into the details.
 
The amount of complexity that you put into this build is astounding! I'll spare you my crack about "So that's what all those dinky parts in the big box are for!" :notworthy
 
J BEFEHLSWAGON
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I am modelling the vehicle in the photo at the top, as this one provides a nice variation with the turret shields and 'field built' stowage boxes on the engine deck.
The J Befehlswagen was an actual 'Gun Tank', as a result of experience in the west in 1940, during the French campaign, after which commanders requested a traversable turret with a 50mm gun. Previous versions of command vehicles in the D, E and H models had fixed turrets and a dummy main gun to make room for the extra radios.
The details:
This is an April 1942 built tank.
  • During April 1942 there were 48 Pzr 3J's built with the 50mm/L42 main gun.
  • The command tanks were built during the series numbers 73631 - 73763.
  • Turrets were built by Daimler-Benz and converted to the Command version.
  • The Chassis were completed by Henschel in the 8.series 2(1940-41)
  • 300 were built by Henschel in 7. series 73601 - 73900.
  • Vorpanzer on the Turret front -Spring '42, chassis front plate March'42.
  • Bullet splash defelector still mounted on the turret roof (even though it has the Vorpanzer front plate - common for J command vehicles).
  • Late model engine deck with parrallel armoured cooling covers on single piece hatches (standardised April '42).
  • rear cooling deflector outlet shields (for deflecting the air from the cooling system away from the ground).
  • MG Ball mount deleted and replaced with an MP-Klappe (for use with an Mp40).
  • Spare track brace on the front chassis plate (Nov. 1941).
  • wooden strips on the turret stowage bin rear to stop antenna interferance.
  • Longer late style shock absorbers.
  • track-tool box on right fender.
  • S- Mine launchers backfitted from May 1943.
This vehicle will have no S-Mine launchers on the turret.
THE MODEL
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Here are the completed parts as per their assemblies.
The metal tracks were for an earlier model, so I ended up keeping them for either the E, F or G.
I painted the red primer on the interior just as a base coat and 'ratted' the command antenna and its 'armoured pot' base from my old pzr3 K kit from the late 90's.
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The kit will stay like this until the tracks can be attached and painted.
Notice the twin ariels and rear star antenna of the command version.
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The stowage boxes were made from sheet plastic and the nuts from an old Grant line set for trains. I used copper wire for the grab handles. The antenna length was made from copper wire also.
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The chassis details are very crisp and clean on this kit with lots of details.
The Vorpanzer spaced armour sheet on the front was painted red primer on the back and the opposing original mantlet in grey, as per the rest of the tank. The top sheet is provided as PE. I figured that the side facing the tank would not have got the grey coat as the tank was painted before the Vorpanzer was fitted.
The back side of the Vorpanzer plate even has top and bottom bolt details for attaching to the front plate.
The rear has the late cooling outlet shields and PE chains for the smoke candles.
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The turret has some hatches open, so I am still creating enough interior to see through the opening. The turret shield armour is very nice and scaled well, except that fitting them can be a little tricky.
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The model is nearly complete except for some small final detals such as the tracks and some small interior parts. The tank assembly parts are still not attached, as seen in the first photo but that will be done once the tracks are completed and painted.
The tracks I will be using will be coming from my Bronco Stug3D 'Donor' kit . These tracks are quite nice and seem to be basically a copy of Modelkasten track and link stug/ Pzr 3 mid-late tracks. The rubber tracks in the kit are well detailed but disintergrate over time, so I won't use those and the individual link were already used with another tank.
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That's it for the J, so its now onto the L model for the next installment.
 
Thanks Mike and MP. :):)
The beauty of these modern Dragon Panzer 3 kits is that they are basically good enough to build OOTB. You only need to modify them to make an interesting variation. You can go full PE from Voyager if you like but in most cases these kits just need a thinning of the track fenders at the ends and the odd added piece to be just right.
I also don't want to get to 'bogged down' as there will be PE 'aplenty' with my Uboat builds that are coming up.
Thanks for watching.
 
The L Version
April 1942 - Dec 1942. 7 series and 8 series (if you add the renamed J 50mm/L60's its from Dec 1941).
Approx 1,470 prod.-
this is very hard to know as J,L and M, as well as rebuilt N's, were being produced at the same time at this point.
(approx 5 month overlap with the J prod./ overlap with the M & N official prod. from about Oct '42).
The L series was basically the official designation for the Pzr 3, with the Long barrelled variant (50mm/ L60) and early production variants( Dec '41 to April '42) identical to the 'long barrelled' J's and as such, the 50mm/L60 J's were officially renamed to L variants to make all long barrel 50mm tanks, L's (April 1942).
Core L UPDATES applied during Production -
  • All changes applied to the J series between Dec '41 to March '42.
  • From April 1942 - Turret side visors and loaders front gun mantlet visors deleted.
  • From June 1942 - Hull side escape hatches deleted along with the introduction of the simplified armour hulls.
  • April '42 to August '42 the majority of tanks recieved vorpanzer on the hull front only, with a only a frame for mounting the turret mantlet Vorpanzer installed.(This feature is an easy way to disinguish most Pzr 3L versions from the early J's and the M variants).
  • From June 1942 - the cover plates over the right side gap between the hull and the Vorpanzer, was deleted to allow access to the Mg ball ring to secure a dust cover.
  • June 1942 - S-mine launchers tested on a limited number of vehicles by mounting them on the track guards.This proved to be a postive result and was introduced on the Tiger 1 production first.
  • From June 1942 - Oct '42 the inverted V delector was deteted from the hull roof in front of the turret (because the Vorpazer extended above the height of the hull superstructure rendering it obselete).
  • From May 1942 - side lights and horn deleted from the track guards.
  • Sept. 1942 -Bosch headlights and cylindrical tail light introduced (to replace the Notek light).
  • Sept. 1942 - centre mounted Tow bracket on hull rear.
  • Sept. 1942 - Smoke grenade dischargers introduced on the turret sides (no longer mounted after May '43 on any tanks).
Vehicle at Stalingrad
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A rare picture of one of the test vehicles with track guard mounted S-Mine launchers in Mid 1942.
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The Model
The classic Panzer 3 L from Tamiya (from the 1990's)
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This Kit still stands up nicely and is a simple but accurate model, that is over a third of the price of a Dragon kit. This one is perfect for a weekend build as it goes together like a dream without any 'fiddly' components. It's also a great platform for adding extra after-market products.
April -May 1942 Prod.
I wanted to add a few extras but not to many. My aim was to create a typical L that did not look like a J or an M, so I went for a mid production version with battle damage.
I started by adding a turned Aluminium barrel(from Elephant). I had a number of these in my stash that have been used throughout all of these builds. I also used one of my StuG 3 drive sprockets from Modelkasten that has the center cover missing' to reflect the work done in the field for damage sustained with the guards missing.
The next stage was to add some texture for mud and source some PE exhaust grills. I also wanted to give it a unique look from the J's by adding a Def Model Pzr3 stowage box to the engine deck rear. I built the frame from the brass on the PE sheet as well as using a bit of strip plastic and nut heads.
I swapped the stowage bin for a Dragon spare, as the detail was better. I also added a tarp to the stowage bin by using some aluminium foil. I initially swapped out the Vorpanzer for a Dragon spare but then changed my mind as the detail behind would be very hidden and the gap plating at the top fitted much better.
I used some Dragon tools because they had the clasp handles molded on (they just need to be drilled-out a bit).
Also added the Dragon track guard, chassis mounts at the front with scratched white support bars.
I still need to add some finemolds clear perscopes to the cupola so that isn't attached properly yet and smoke candles at the rear.
This model will be painted in German Grey and will be one of the tanks assigned to a Tiger unit on the Eastern front.
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I'm really liking this build Ian. Lots of good extras and some great building techniques here. I'm getting ready to build a Panther A tank and am going to have ALOT of questions when I do because I've never built any armor subjects and don't want to go in a wrong direction with one. One of the things that I've read about is the tracks themselves. There was a source that said that there were NOT any track links with bare metal showing on the wear portions of the tracks. Meaning no silver / steel color showing on worn tracks. What DOES a properly worn set of tracks look like on a Panther A?
 
I'm really liking this build Ian. Lots of good extras and some great building techniques here. I'm getting ready to build a Panther A tank and am going to have ALOT of questions when I do because I've never built any armor subjects and don't want to go in a wrong direction with one. One of the things that I've read about is the tracks themselves. There was a source that said that there were NOT any track links with bare metal showing on the wear portions of the tracks. Meaning no silver / steel color showing on worn tracks. What DOES a properly worn set of tracks look like on a Panther A?
Don't believe everything you read on the net, :hmm:especially from a source that doesn't seem to be in touch with everyday reality.:lol:
Common sense will always win through even when you are unsure.
Just take the African conditions for example.
Bare metal tracks running over sand all day long , scrubbing them clean continually. They will never stay dull or even rusty. Just take a look at any of my reference photos in my MK3 thred here and you will see many pictures with shiny tracks. Panthers were no different. The tracks would dull off and go rusty if left stationary, especially in wet conditions, but once moving again they are scored and scrubbed by the soil and rock to be shiny on the high points again. You see this even in muddy conditions.
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OK......
THE K VERSION
(Panzerbefehlswagon(5cm Kw.K. L/60)
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December 1942 - Feb 1943. 7 series production numbers 70201 - 70250 only built at Daimler Benz Werk 40.
50 produced- this vehicle is a strange mix Pzr 3 M, L and Pzr 4.
1 Month overlap with L prod. and 2 months overlap with M production.
The forgotten Pzr 3 as I call it, the K version is the one that most people either don't know much about or have never heard of.
This model was yet another update to the command vehicle platform of the Panzer 3, upgrading from the J command tank, however because of the small amount produced it seems that many comanders stayed in J's.

Only 3 months of production during the L and M prod. periods made this vehicle a strange 'frankenstein version of the Pzr 3 with a Pzr 4 turret, based on the F model with an Pzr 4 E turret race.
The K series was originally meant to go into production at Daimler-Benz in September 1942 at a rate of 10 per month but delays meant that they didn't start until Dec '42 where they built 36, 13 in Jan '43 and 1 in Feb '43.
Core K UPDATES applied during Production -
  • All changes applied to the L series by Dec '42 and updates to the M in Jan,Feb March '43.
  • specially modified Panzer 4 F turret with a panzer 3 5cm/L60 gun.
  • A drivers visor was mounted to the right of the main gun[utilising the Panzer 3 drivers visor].
  • The MG 42/34'S removed and an MP ball mount fitted to the hull front armor with a distinctive rectangular shape.
  • M variant deep wading accessories added.
  • Newly designed commanders cupola with a single piece hatch lid and thicker castings - later seen on the N model.
  • Signal flare holder added to the rear of the cupola.
  • S-Mine launchers (3 on each side) added to the turret sides.
  • starting in May'43 they were back-fitted with side and turret schuerzen (if they had survived).
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THE MODEL
Another great Dragon kit that delivers on accuracy and detail with figures included.
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This kit has all the parts mentioned in previous builds, plus a panzer 4 F turret and new hull top plate with the enlarged turret race. I will be modelling this with a damaged front drive sprocket so that I can use the T-REX 3d printed, dissassembled drive sprocket kit I have . I originally was going to use a Model kasten wheel(with the cap missing) but I ended-up using that on the L model. I will have the K damaged by a mine, so I bent up the front section of the left guard.
As with the other builds, I still have a couple of details to complete once the tracks are on and painted , including the top of the Star ariel at the back. 'On the trail' of small deatail changes between each model, I will leave off the sheet metal cover right accross the top of the front Vorpanzer gap, as I have seen this on a number of command tanks and normal versions as well.
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As with the other L60 versions, I used my Elephant turned metal gun barrel, as I had a number in my stash that I had bought some years ago. The barrel provided in the kit is very good and probably of equal quality, as it is slide molded but I needed to use these aftermarket barrels.

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