paddy
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Some are black, ive seen silver but a lot are the same colour as the distributor capI think it is black
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Pocher Rolls Royce Phantom 1:8
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paddy
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I finished the ignition leads today, it has 12 as the 6 cylinder engine has twin plug heads.
Its an odd set up as the left side seems to have a magnitio and the right has a coil and distributor.
Employed my new Dremel drill stand and i have bought a mini X-Y axis table for it now
Its an odd set up as the left side seems to have a magnitio and the right has a coil and distributor.
Employed my new Dremel drill stand and i have bought a mini X-Y axis table for it now
Precision! 
paddy
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I have to say i had pretty much given upon making the brakes work on this....however when i bought this i downloaded the instructions from scalemates before hand.I couldn't make any sense of them at all as far as all the linkages and plates went.
Today i looked at the instructions that came with the kit, although torn and faded they are much clearer.
It seems like who ever uploaded the instructions to scalemates did it in a mega low resolution so using the kit instructions i will give it another go.
Today i looked at the instructions that came with the kit, although torn and faded they are much clearer.
It seems like who ever uploaded the instructions to scalemates did it in a mega low resolution so using the kit instructions i will give it another go.
Heavens Eagle
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There were two things I discovered with the mechanical brakes on the Alfa I built years ago. They are touchy and the linkages were all a bit on the loose side. They worked (sort of) and that was good enough.
Nice looking motor. 
Greg Kimsey
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Man that is clean and beautiful! What a motor 
Heavens Eagle
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Looking really good Paddy!
centaur567
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Looks like it start right up! Gary S.
paddy
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Looking through my box of bits and it seems to have 4 made up wheels and two unmade ............The only rolls i remember with 6 wheels belonged to lady penelope
The wheels are awful, huge splits in the rims, missing spokes and they will spoil the finished job, if i was to ever finish it
They are held together with screws but all the threads are stripped where they guy has tried to close up the gaps.
Another point is , and it may be to my advantage, i cant find a picture of a Rolls Sedanca with unpainted wheels, they tend to be body colour of just black.
I have looked into replacement one piece resin rims but they are not cheap and come undrilled and without an indexing head for my drill i think drilling the near 500 holes in 6 wheel rims might be pushing it Also note the spokes are not straight which again is strange as i would have thought the strength in a spoked wheel was the straight spokes which will always take load better than bent spokes.
I think my next move will be the firewall/bulkhead. again its rather underwhelming but research shows it was actually petty plain and simple.
The wheels are awful, huge splits in the rims, missing spokes and they will spoil the finished job, if i was to ever finish it
They are held together with screws but all the threads are stripped where they guy has tried to close up the gaps.
Another point is , and it may be to my advantage, i cant find a picture of a Rolls Sedanca with unpainted wheels, they tend to be body colour of just black.
I have looked into replacement one piece resin rims but they are not cheap and come undrilled and without an indexing head for my drill i think drilling the near 500 holes in 6 wheel rims might be pushing it
Also note the spokes are not straight which again is strange as i would have thought the strength in a spoked wheel was the straight spokes which will always take load better than bent spokes.I think my next move will be the firewall/bulkhead. again its rather underwhelming but research shows it was actually petty plain and simple.
paddy
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Today i have found more problems with this project
A lot of the rear linkages have been fixed with either solder, CA. or melted with a hot knife .
This is a problem because
A/ a lot of it is not assembled correctly and
B/ You can see above the cam that expands the brakes with a nut. What you cant see is the other side of the cam is a another nut and these 2 nuts when tightened , turn the cam. However the nuts are not tight and when you tighten anything on this model it just splits because the plastic has gone brittle.
to tighten parts enough to be able to use that joint as a drive for another part isn't really possible anymore due to age. Bear in mind that, for example a rear brake between hub and brake peddle goes through o-15 of these joints and if one slips a few degrees its not going to work..
I am now wondering if i can build this as a static display model without brakes ? Ultimately these models are not designed to be disassembled
A lot of the rear linkages have been fixed with either solder, CA. or melted with a hot knife .
This is a problem because
A/ a lot of it is not assembled correctly and
B/ You can see above the cam that expands the brakes with a nut. What you cant see is the other side of the cam is a another nut and these 2 nuts when tightened , turn the cam. However the nuts are not tight and when you tighten anything on this model it just splits because the plastic has gone brittle.
to tighten parts enough to be able to use that joint as a drive for another part isn't really possible anymore due to age. Bear in mind that, for example a rear brake between hub and brake peddle goes through o-15 of these joints and if one slips a few degrees its not going to work..
I am now wondering if i can build this as a static display model without brakes ? Ultimately these models are not designed to be disassembled
Dare I say it, could you rebuilt the parts? 
paddy
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Possibly Bob or you can buy spare parts at a price, the real underlying problem is i cant identify most of the parts so having worked out the instructions , there are basics like some of the links are 10mm or 12 or 15mm long and you have no way of identifying which are which from the instructions, I spent 2.5 hours this morning and a couple last night trying to work out a way round this but short of having another ready built kit or an unbuilt kit to show the parts ID's i cant see how it can be assembled as a working model.
You can see here on another kit how all the parts are bagged and stapled to the box and the parts id,s are on the box itself ( this is just some of the parts)
I still have my thinking hat on
The problem here is the same as i found with the Italeri re issues of the Protar kits. If you force a screw into a plastic hole it expands the hole. then as the plastic ages it goes brittle and just shatters under the stress. The plastic is not really soft enough to do this..
I think had i built a few of these before like Paul i might stand a better chance, this is not the way to introduce yourself to Pocher, they are unlike anything else i have built TBH.
You can see here on another kit how all the parts are bagged and stapled to the box and the parts id,s are on the box itself ( this is just some of the parts)
I still have my thinking hat on
The problem here is the same as i found with the Italeri re issues of the Protar kits. If you force a screw into a plastic hole it expands the hole. then as the plastic ages it goes brittle and just shatters under the stress. The plastic is not really soft enough to do this..
I think had i built a few of these before like Paul i might stand a better chance, this is not the way to introduce yourself to Pocher, they are unlike anything else i have built TBH.
Heavens Eagle
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I have not looked at the built Alfa in years. It is boxed up safe (someplace) It probably has some of the split issues as well though it was assembled more or less correctly. I have a different Rolls kit. I wonder if the brake parts are the same between them. I could look I guess.
paddy
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Dont forget i bought this as well, it arrived and i havnt even looked in the box........I dont want to open it till i have time to do it and that will be after i retire......sometime
i have learned a lot already and this looks to have been properly built judging by the wheels, upholstery and fit of panels.
My hope is it just needs a proper clean and a base and i might put it back in auction to fund something else...I like these Pochers however they are huge, not very accurate and a bit toy car-ish. Next to an Italeri repop Protar, the Protar would win hands down and for a fraction of the price.
I sold all my Italeri protars via auction on a local garage face book page to raise money for a single mother charity. they all raised more than they cost , the 4 raised just over £700 and the same guy bought 3 of them.
Having built them once i know i could do a lot better next time having seen the pitfalls and the problems now so i may build them again in retirement for my own collection. As i sell off my remaining motorcycle stock/parts and gain space i plan to buy a decent glass cabinet to keep a select few models dust free and displayed ( a first for me)
i have learned a lot already and this looks to have been properly built judging by the wheels, upholstery and fit of panels.
My hope is it just needs a proper clean and a base and i might put it back in auction to fund something else...I like these Pochers however they are huge, not very accurate and a bit toy car-ish. Next to an Italeri repop Protar, the Protar would win hands down and for a fraction of the price.
I sold all my Italeri protars via auction on a local garage face book page to raise money for a single mother charity. they all raised more than they cost , the 4 raised just over £700 and the same guy bought 3 of them.
Having built them once i know i could do a lot better next time having seen the pitfalls and the problems now so i may build them again in retirement for my own collection. As i sell off my remaining motorcycle stock/parts and gain space i plan to buy a decent glass cabinet to keep a select few models dust free and displayed ( a first for me)
