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The only way to get close to the original is if you have color chips from that era to get you in the ball park and then you need to factor in weather and operations issues :frantic Not to mention what has happened to the original."
Cheers, Christian B)[/quote]

Even then the colour may be off depending on the batch/lot used. When painting large surfaces you're advised to get all your paint from the same batch as there can be a dramatic difference in tones between batches. And that's not to mention if the paint was field mixed and applied as even the carrier for the pigment can make a big difference in the tone. Light/time of day can really change the appearance of red or browns. I built a 24 feet long by 16.6 inches wide Caribou Innuit kayak and painted it brick red. I took a picture one sunny day of it from the front and 30 seconds later took another picture from the stern. The bow shot looks red and the stern shot looks dark brown; in effect two totally different colours but the two images were take only seconds apart with the only difference being whether the sun was in front or behind the camera. i think that there is far too much "obsessing" over the exact colour/tone used on the real vehicles. Like I said above, even the position of the sun amd/or time of day can affect the apparent colour seen. Then there's the whole colour shift during printing to consider.

Cheers from Peter
 
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Yeah but just remember guys, there's only ONE Olive Drab

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:rotf :rotf :rotf :soldier
 
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Well, I've got color slides from aboard ship taken in the 60's. The Kodak ectachrome all has turned to a bluish/greenish color cast, the Kodachrome went to a reddish/ orangeish cast. I've had a few of them enlarged and printed and the printer can usually "fix" that, but the outcome is really the color opinion of the operator and not necessarily the true colors at the time. Plus, every film has it's own color bias right to begin with, with each film leaning toward a somewhat different color base.
All the stuff about what the "true" color of something was, no matter what the basis for it's interpretation, is still, in my opinion, subjective.
I really enjoy the discussions regarding black and white photos and what the colors are that the different shades of grey represent. Some get pretty heated.

I have to agree with ya EJ. My uncle was a Lithographer. Owned & operated his own print shop & developed his own film & for friends and I remember he hated developing film from the 50s & 60s due to color shift.
 
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Nice hauls thar fellas! I'll be watchin' to see them built. Especially the Yorktown & that Whaler (y) (y) :drool
 
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The only way to get close to the original is if you have color chips from that era to get you in the ball park and then you need to factor in weather and operations issues :frantic Not to mention what has happened to the original."
Cheers, Christian B)

Even then the colour may be off depending on the batch/lot used. When painting large surfaces you're advised to get all your paint from the same batch as there can be a dramatic difference in tones between batches. And that's not to mention if the paint was field mixed and applied as even the carrier for the pigment can make a big difference in the tone. Light/time of day can really change the appearance of red or browns. I built a 24 feet long by 16.6 inches wide Caribou Innuit kayak and painted it brick red. I took a picture one sunny day of it from the front and 30 seconds later took another picture from the stern. The bow shot looks red and the stern shot looks dark brown; in effect two totally different colours but the two images were take only seconds apart with the only difference being whether the sun was in front or behind the camera. i think that there is far too much "obsessing" over the exact colour/tone used on the real vehicles. Like I said above, even the position of the sun amd/or time of day can affect the apparent colour seen. Then there's the whole colour shift during printing to consider.

Cheers from Peter[/quote]


OKI, let's get this straight .

The color chip is the standard set by the agency IE : the USAF, NAVY ect... That's what the paint manufacturers shoot for.
Even today , the is an allowable deviation of plus or minus 25% of the original chip.

Add to that a number of other things that can affect the paint including purchasing a Walmart brand it will cause all sort of shades.

My point is that without a color chip there is no guidance as to what to do. I guarantee that many manuals are written on mixing and applying said paint .
Military manuals are not sugestion but orders to be followed , so there is a sense of what it will look like when you are done.
Being in a war zone pretty much gives you a license to do what you have to to accomplish the mission at hand .

Cheers , Christian
 
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From Amazon (78% off so less than $3USD each):
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An excellent sale from an ARC member. Click images to see what he has left:






Amazon purchase (less than $29USD):
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Now I can do this:
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Joe Francesco, Joe's Models on eBay, visited the Scale Model Enthusiasts meeting and brought me a gift!
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The new Nuts & Bolts... James, did you get yours?
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Replacements for my originals which were published by Kookabura decades ago:
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Regards,
 
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