Re: Classic Airframes 1/48 Do17Z
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Classic Airframes 1/48 Do17Z * Finished *
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Re: Classic Airframes 1/48 Do17Z
Finally - paint done!
crappy indoor pics but you can get the general idea
A bit of push and shove to set the gear (almost!!) right
mounted the engines without gluing the prop shafts solid! a smear of sewing machine oil on the shafts
stopped the Ca glue spreading to them
markings are scheme #3 - nacelle demarcations on the were more under the wing than the book photo
Finally - paint done!
crappy indoor pics but you can get the general idea
A bit of push and shove to set the gear (almost!!) right
mounted the engines without gluing the prop shafts solid! a smear of sewing machine oil on the shafts
stopped the Ca glue spreading to them
markings are scheme #3 - nacelle demarcations on the were more under the wing than the book photo
phantom II
Master at Arms
Re: Classic Airframes 1/48 Do17Z
Looking good . One thing I noticed as well in my earlier builds is the amount of contrast between the two paints .
The artist rendering usually don't look as dramatic between the greens . I'm not sure how much the paints would actually fade in the European conditions . Food for thoughts
Cheers, Christian B)
Looking good . One thing I noticed as well in my earlier builds is the amount of contrast between the two paints .
The artist rendering usually don't look as dramatic between the greens . I'm not sure how much the paints would actually fade in the European conditions . Food for thoughts
Cheers, Christian B)
phantom II
Master at Arms
Re: Classic Airframes 1/48 Do17Z
And so I would like to think ! However, that does not explain why there is so little contrast between the greens in some of those pictures.
Sorry, this is not a high quality picture but I borrowed it from Angelfire for the purpose of discussion on this topic. It still reflects my earlier comment about the lack of contrast on an airframe that has been in use for a bit.
Cheers, Christian B)
And so I would like to think ! However, that does not explain why there is so little contrast between the greens in some of those pictures.
Sorry, this is not a high quality picture but I borrowed it from Angelfire for the purpose of discussion on this topic. It still reflects my earlier comment about the lack of contrast on an airframe that has been in use for a bit.
Cheers, Christian B)
Re: Classic Airframes 1/48 Do17Z
Its quite obvious that that specific picture is not only faded but also color blown. Was propably scanned in on an old drum scanner back in the 70's. Pictures had a tendency to get blown back in the days before digital imiging.
Beeing blown is obvious if you look at the ground Notice that all the greens on the ground has gone greyish also.
Plus you added old printing process from an earlier age also, if it was from the 70's it might even be pre litho and that means chemicly made copper plates that quickly lost sharpness.
Its quite obvious that that specific picture is not only faded but also color blown. Was propably scanned in on an old drum scanner back in the 70's. Pictures had a tendency to get blown back in the days before digital imiging.
Beeing blown is obvious if you look at the ground Notice that all the greens on the ground has gone greyish also.
Plus you added old printing process from an earlier age also, if it was from the 70's it might even be pre litho and that means chemicly made copper plates that quickly lost sharpness.
phantom II
Master at Arms
Re: Classic Airframes 1/48 Do17Z
OK, that explanation works for me . Is there a similar explanation for the black and white pictures I have seen that display little contrast ?
Cheers, Christian B)
OK, that explanation works for me . Is there a similar explanation for the black and white pictures I have seen that display little contrast ?
Cheers, Christian B)
Re: Classic Airframes 1/48 Do17Z
Interesting conversation guys...about the color fading.
I'd like to go back to something else.
HA! I knew there had to be something out there to keep CA in it's place. I'm assuming this is a very light oil? Why hasn't anyone told me about this before??
Interesting conversation guys...about the color fading.
I'd like to go back to something else.
HA! I knew there had to be something out there to keep CA in it's place. I'm assuming this is a very light oil? Why hasn't anyone told me about this before??
Re: Classic Airframes 1/48 Do17Z
Check the two green paints under the cockpit
unfaded on this one
the port wing cross
My paint is raw just shot a couple of days before, we'll wait for flatcoats and outside camera photos for the next round.
Don't forget - all aircraft were new and freshly painted at the factory at one stage in their life..........
Sorry MP this is one of my old tricks I've used for many years!
it is very light oil,
http://www.aussiesapphire.com.au/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=178&products_id=1487
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Singer-Sewing-Machine-Oil-4-oz/19398733
There you go!
Check the two green paints under the cockpit
unfaded on this one
the port wing cross
My paint is raw just shot a couple of days before, we'll wait for flatcoats and outside camera photos for the next round.
Don't forget - all aircraft were new and freshly painted at the factory at one stage in their life..........
Sorry MP this is one of my old tricks I've used for many years!
it is very light oil,
http://www.aussiesapphire.com.au/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=178&products_id=1487
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Singer-Sewing-Machine-Oil-4-oz/19398733
There you go!
phantom II
Master at Arms
Re: Classic Airframes 1/48 Do17Z
Never said they were not all like that on day one sir .
That # 18 ME 109 is not nearly as contrasting .
I am not criticizing your work . Just observations and a comment . That is all.
Cheers, Christian B)
Never said they were not all like that on day one sir .
That # 18 ME 109 is not nearly as contrasting .
I am not criticizing your work . Just observations and a comment . That is all.
Cheers, Christian B)
jknaus
Administrator
Re: Classic Airframes 1/48 Do17Z
Just to muddy the waters a bit, I believe the 217's are all black so dont show any contrast.
The first Bf 109 is RLM 71 and 02 to my eyes and so has a high contrast.
The next looks RLM 70 and RLM 71 which gives less contrast.
This link might help with the constrasts http://109lair.hobbyvista.com/articles/camo/bob/bob_camo.htm
Back to the do 17 though, it looks right and is nicely done. Hope I'm not stepping on toes, but the German colour schemes varied quite a bit and are a real challenge. Anything goes
James
Just to muddy the waters a bit, I believe the 217's are all black so dont show any contrast.
The first Bf 109 is RLM 71 and 02 to my eyes and so has a high contrast.
The next looks RLM 70 and RLM 71 which gives less contrast.
This link might help with the constrasts http://109lair.hobbyvista.com/articles/camo/bob/bob_camo.htm
Back to the do 17 though, it looks right and is nicely done. Hope I'm not stepping on toes, but the German colour schemes varied quite a bit and are a real challenge. Anything goes
James
phantom II
Master at Arms
Re: Classic Airframes 1/48 Do17Z
I have my steel toe shoes on. The Finnish DO's on the other hand appear to be high contrast green and black . Reportedly well maintained machines ( and very clean looking ).
Cheers, Christian B)
I have my steel toe shoes on. The Finnish DO's on the other hand appear to be high contrast green and black . Reportedly well maintained machines ( and very clean looking ).
Cheers, Christian B)
Re: Classic Airframes 1/48 Do17Z
It shows signs of repainting aside from the obvious new markings. Click image to visit the 109 Lair...
Do you see a moon on the side here?
Regards,
Compare the splinter seen on this captured aircraft to this one:Check the two green paints under the cockpit
It shows signs of repainting aside from the obvious new markings. Click image to visit the 109 Lair...
Note that the Swiss aircraft seen here were purpose built Bf 109E3a with different weapons and overall dark green over light blue gray.unfaded on this one
This is one of the Versuchs (trials) series of Bf 109E-0 which were painted in overall flat black as 'night fighters." Note the non standard placement of the upper wing crosses and the painted over sections were the standard ones were. A close study of the fuselage sides show the codes painted over as well. Note the Exhaust covers on both.the port wing cross
Do you see a moon on the side here?
Regards,
phantom II
Master at Arms
Re: Classic Airframes 1/48 Do17Z
Ok, my mistake but in the first two pictures I see people gawking at brand new ME 109 ! I know full well the demarcation were stronger on new paint jobs.
Why is this starting to appear to be a rumble ? It was only an opinion and a remark .
Cheers, Christian B)
Ok, my mistake but in the first two pictures I see people gawking at brand new ME 109 ! I know full well the demarcation were stronger on new paint jobs.
Why is this starting to appear to be a rumble ? It was only an opinion and a remark .
Cheers, Christian B)
Re: Classic Airframes 1/48 Do17Z
Christian, no rumble. I was admiring the color photos posted and commenting on them as the first is an over painted captured example (gawked at by Brits, note the Gasoline truck), the second color photo is of a Swiss sharkmouth (which you know interests me and I have thoroughly researched) without a splinter scheme, and the third color image is a rare one showing the disinformation spread through propaganda. Excellent finds but not really useful to show standard splinter schemes. Still appreciated though.
Regards,
Christian, no rumble. I was admiring the color photos posted and commenting on them as the first is an over painted captured example (gawked at by Brits, note the Gasoline truck), the second color photo is of a Swiss sharkmouth (which you know interests me and I have thoroughly researched) without a splinter scheme, and the third color image is a rare one showing the disinformation spread through propaganda. Excellent finds but not really useful to show standard splinter schemes. Still appreciated though.
Regards,
Re: Classic Airframes 1/48 Do17Z
Cheers all!
now would anyone know for sure how these damned things were marked on the under side?
my markings = U5 BH
underwing, is it
BB
HH
BH
HB
U5 BH
??
this shows four letters !!
U5 BH = 1/kg2 has B on port wing 2nd diagram, at bottom of decal page it shows 1/kg2 with letter H ??/
mass confusion here!
Cheers all!
now would anyone know for sure how these damned things were marked on the under side?
my markings = U5 BH
underwing, is it
BB
HH
BH
HB
U5 BH
??
this shows four letters !!
U5 BH = 1/kg2 has B on port wing 2nd diagram, at bottom of decal page it shows 1/kg2 with letter H ??/
mass confusion here!
