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German Tank Tracks

jknaus

jknaus

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One of my pet peeves is the modelling of German Tank Tracks and adding rust to them. I've mentioned this before, but having watched the newest Night Shift you tube video I commented there and figured I mention it here again also.
German track was made of highly rust resistant steel.
From Google. "German WWII tank tracks were primarily made from high-manganese steel alloy for durability and wear resistance, though early tracks might have used other alloys or even been made of magnesium-heavy alloy. This high-manganese steel contained corrosion-inhibiting elements that prevented the rapid, bright red rusting seen on simpler iron, instead wearing to a dull, dark brown or goldy-brown surface."
James
 
I always do the bare steel surfaces on the track links where there would be wear from the road wheels and other parts doing constant wear. Then the rest is just dirt, mud, and dust on them with paint that hasn't worn off. You never see that much rust on the old WWII vehicles anyway. There was moisture and mud, but no salt. The salt that is used on roads is what causes fast rust and anything that was in Africa would definitely NOT have any rust on it over the period of years the DAK was in Africa.
 
Only thing I know about german tracks is what I learned here. And it was probably from you James. :Drinks:
 
There was a 1/35 Panzer IV in one of the last IPMS Journals I received with rust-encrusted tracks, as if it had been parked in sea water for YEARS. It looked just like hammered dogshit. The modeler also added a basket of fruit and bread that looked fairly fresh. Would the bread and fruit not rot away while this poor ol' Panzer languished in it encrustation? This poorly thought out over-weathered vehicle won a gold award at local show. 🤮 Madness!
 
Agreed James, they will rust eventually but combat ready in WW2 no. I think if you are modelling a knockout sitting in salt water that may be an exception like the German vehicles knocked out on the beaches in the Baltic during the retreat in 1945.
The modern Russian vehicles are the same. Only rusty if they have burned or are in a scrap yard.
 
jknaus said:
One of my pet peeves is the modelling of German Tank Tracks and adding rust to them. I've mentioned this before, but having watched the newest Night Shift you tube video I commented there and figured I mention it here again also.
German track was made of highly rust resistant steel.
From Google. "German WWII tank tracks were primarily made from high-manganese steel alloy for durability and wear resistance, though early tracks might have used other alloys or even been made of magnesium-heavy alloy. This high-manganese steel contained corrosion-inhibiting elements that prevented the rapid, bright red rusting seen on simpler iron, instead wearing to a dull, dark brown or goldy-brown surface."
James
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Only partially true. Tracks, early in the war, were composed mainly of manganese (along with nickel and chromium), and were highly resistant to rusting. However, as the war progressed, supply lines were stretched and other alloys were used to meet need. The composition of steel could also vary in different factories, at different times. This was especially true during 1943-44, when tank production was at its height and manganese supply was inconsistent. This meant steel composition could vary batch to batch. Manganese was still present, just not in the volumes used early in the war (despite manganese being supplemented by Sweden via its Baltic ports, for most of the war). So, yes, some German vehicles had tracks that showed more prominent signs of rusting. Admittedly, though, while rust could be seen on these German vehicles, it is no where near as prevalent as our scale models would suggest. For that matter, the alloy content in German Steel gave it a gray-brown or bronze colour and the silver steel tones used to model wear from contact with the ground, are also inaccurate. Modelling has become highly stylized though, and much of what we consider normal these days, has no basis in reality so, why sweat the details? Ultimately, your model, do it your way! 😀

Sorry for the late response, I just joined the group! 👍
 
PaintItBlack said:
Only partially true. Tracks, early in the war, were composed mainly of manganese (along with nickel and chromium), and were highly resistant to rusting. However, as the war progressed, supply lines were stretched and other alloys were used to meet need. The composition of steel could also vary in different factories, at different times. This was especially true during 1943-44, when tank production was at its height and manganese supply was inconsistent. This meant steel composition could vary batch to batch. Manganese was still present, just not in the volumes used early in the war (despite manganese being supplemented by Sweden via its Baltic ports, for most of the war). So, yes, some German vehicles had tracks that showed more prominent signs of rusting. Admittedly, though, while rust could be seen on these German vehicles, it is no where near as prevalent as our scale models would suggest. For that matter, the alloy content in German Steel gave it a gray-brown or bronze colour and the silver steel tones used to model wear from contact with the ground, are also inaccurate. Modelling has become highly stylized though, and much of what we consider normal these days, has no basis in reality so, why sweat the details? Ultimately, your model, do it your way! 😀

Sorry for the late response, I just joined the group! 👍
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You mentioned that the painted color (that I tend to use) of silver or steel is incorrect. What would you suggest. I tend to use the brownish track color that Humbrol has put out, and dirt on the tracks, but have used a steel color semi-dry brushed on in the wear areas that the bogies and other wheels make contact.

Also, welcome to the forum! These are the kinds of posts that we like and share on here and criticism as long as it is constructive and helpful is one of the main plusses of being a part of the forum.
 
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