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Tamiya Lee/Grant Series Builds

Tankbuilder

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Hello there fellow modellers.

A while back in the What's on the bench today thread I posted some images of a series of Tamiya M3 lees and Grants I'm working on. These were all started years ago and I decided to get them finished.

As in a number of my builds I use what I think is a simple and inexpensive technique to change something. Some of these techniques were born of necessity years ago when model detailing stuff was not very common up here.

One of the tings i had to do with a number of parts on these Tamiya Lees and Grants was to add casting texture to the turrets and transmission covers. My method came about after seeing how spilled liquid cement crazes styrene.

The Tamiya Lee and Grant turrets are smooth with no casting texture at all. So is the transmission cover.
Here's an unmodified Tamiya Lee turret. You can see how smooth it is. I needed to add casting texture to it.




You can do this outside or in any well ventilated area.

Here is what I use to texture it. I use liquid cement. In this case it's Tamiya thin but any thin liquid cement will work. I used Testor's to great effect before. I use a cheap dollar store very stiff nylon bristle brush.




The first thing I do is wet everything I want the cast texture to be on, with the liquid cement.




Next I again lightly wet the area to be textured and then start stippling it with vertical stabs of the stiff nylon bristle brush. The stiffer the bristles and the harder you stab the deeper the cast texture looks.



By repeating the wetting and stippling you can achieve a very heavy cast texture. U.S.A. tank casting wasn't as rough as some other nations. I always make my cast texture a bit heavier than I want the final painted model to look. That's to allow for the paint.


Here's the textured turret without any paint.










Here's a textured and painted turret on my M3A4 Lee.










So there you have it people. An easy inexpensive way to create cast texture on parts. Btw, this technique also works very well for creating rust texture on items such as muffler pipes.

I hope this is of use to you.

Comments are appreciated and welcomed.

Cheers from Peter
 
Ah yeah,the "melting glue technique"!
Used it several times my self.I've once even seen Zimmerit done this way on a Panther tank in one of the Verlinden Way booklets.

Thanks for sharing Peter! (y)


Gr,Ron.
 
I love this old kit - Every time I see one of these in a thread or 'in person' I cannot help but think of Spielbergs' 1941.

Ian.
 
I love this old kit - Every time I see one of these in a thread or 'in person' I cannot help but think of Spielbergs' 1941.

Ian.

Unfortunately unless you get a Tamiya Lee/Grant at a super low price it's a dog of a kit. The Academy Lee/Grant kits are just a few dollars more and they have tracks where the track connectoers actual connect links (the Tamiya kits tracks don't) and the Academy kits have the proper 5 spoks wheels instead of the wrong 6 spokes ones of the Tamiya kits. I was very fortunate in that I got each of the Lee/Grant kits for very little and the $10.00 I spent for Italeri or Tamiya tracks and Italeri 5 spoke wheels was well worth it. That was $10.00 per set of tracks plus the Italeri sprue with the 5 spokes wheels on it. Pllus the Academy Lee/Grant kits come with a pretty complete interior. The Academy kits re hands down far superior to these old Tamiya ones.

Cheers from Peter
 
I agree about the 'accuracy' of the Tamiya kit but like their old M41 and Hanomag it seems to be one of those 'rites of passage' builds that a lot of us seem to do in our early days...

But you make a good point regarding the Academy kit, their M3 Lee or Grant and the M8 Priest are very high on my 'want-to-build' list.

Ian.
 
I agree about the 'accuracy' of the Tamiya kit but like their old M41 and Hanomag it seems to be one of those 'rites of passage' builds that a lot of us seem to do in our early days...

But you make a good point regarding the Academy kit, their M3 Lee or Grant and the M8 Priest are very high on my 'want-to-build' list.

Ian.

Anyone want to see what's inside the 1/35 Academy Grant or Lee boxes? I have both of those kits in the stash.

Btw, at the local hobby shop the Tamiya Lee is $35.99 and the Academy Lee is $39.99 with the interior.

Cheers from Peter
 
I agree about the 'accuracy' of the Tamiya kit but like their old M41 and Hanomag it seems to be one of those 'rites of passage' builds that a lot of us seem to do in our early days...

But you make a good point regarding the Academy kit, their M3 Lee or Grant and the M8 Priest are very high on my 'want-to-build' list.

Ian.

Anyone want to see what's inside the 1/35 Academy Grant or Lee boxes? I have both of those kits in the stash.

Btw, at the local hobby shop the Tamiya Lee is $35.99 and the Academy Lee is $39.99 with the interior.

Cheers from Peter

(y)
 
Hi there.

I thought I'd go ahead and post images of the contents of the Academy M3 Grant and Lee kits.

Other than the Sprue with the turrets and also the decals the contents of the kits are the same. The M3 grant kit I bought was the Special Edition and contained the MiniArt Tank Crew Set of figures. Even with those figures that kit was only $10.00 CDN more than the Tamiya kit and only $5.00 CDN more than the Academy M3 Lee kit without figures.

The biggest difference between the Academy and Tamiya M3 Grant/Lee kits besides getting an interior with Academy is that the Academy hull top is multi-piece construction and Tamiya is a one piece unit.

These are the Box Art from the Grant and Lee kits.







Here are the Sprues from both kits.

A = 2 identical sprues. Note that Academy has the correct 5 spokes bogie wheels. Tamiya's are wrong with 6 spokes.



Sprue B



Sprue C



Sprue D



Sprue E



Sprue F




These are images of the interior of Sprue F Note the large sink marks that'll need to be filled.

Sprue F



Sprue F



Sprue F



Sprue F



Sprue G is from the M3 Grant version.



Tracks and decals. The tracks are the same in both Academy kits. The Tamiya tracks have molded on track connectors that do NOT straddle two links and thus in real life the track links would NOT be joined but would fall apart.



The bonus MiniArt British Tank Crew from the M3 Grant kit Special Edition.





Comparison of the tan Tamiya Grant turret on the left to the Academy Grant turret.



The nice hollow muzzle gun barrels in the Academy kits.



I think that these Academy M3 Grant and Lee kits are FAR SUPERIOR to the old Tamiya ones. Ditto for the Academy M3 Honey/Stuart kits as they too have an interior.

Cheers from Peter
 
Today I worked on figuring out a simple and inexpensive way to make the exhaust on these Tamiya M3 Lee/Grant models look something like they're supposed to. I don't know what they were thinking when Tamiya designed this exhaust system because I've never seen an image of an M3 Lee or grant with it. You need the rear engine access panel Part A4 from the Tamiya M3 Grant kit and the Part # not shown on the instructions that joins Parts A26 and A27 on the Tamiya's M3 Lee kit.

I ended up splitting that short curved piece that Tamiya wants you to attach to parts A26 and A27. then I cut two short lengths of styrene tubing. I then cemented one of the short curved pieces to each section of tubing. When cured I cemented that assembly to each round plate on the rear engine access panel from the Tamiya Grant kit.

Whilst not Perfect this new exhaust system at least looks the part.


Parts - Exploded view.



Parts plus view of them in place.



Parts in place on the rear panel.




Comments are encouraged and welcomed.

Cheers from Peter
 
Progress to the point of applying paint at long last!

I got the base coat on the converted Tamiya M3 which is now an M3A4 (extended hull) and also base coated the M3 CDL (Canal Defense Light) which only leaves 5 more Tamiya M3 Lee/grant variants to finish up although they too are getting very close to the base coat of painting stage.

Here's the M3A4.














The M3 CDL (Canal Defense Light). Verlinden CDL Conversion kit.












Comments are appreciated and welcomed.

Cheers from Peter
 
They look good Peter, they would really benefit from some Friuls, the tracks seem to be floating out there.
 
They look good Peter, they would really benefit from some Friuls, the tracks seem to be floating out there.

Thanks.

Well they are on there temporarily since I still need to paint the rubber tires. The ones I was going to use on the M3 CDL broke ans I need to repair them. As far as Fruil goes; too expensive for me. I'll just tack the tracks down with a bit of cyano glue or shorten them one link.

Cheers from Peter
 
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