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THE "UNBUILDABLE" KIT?

MrT

Master at Arms
Staff member
The "Unbuildable" Kit:

When I think of the “unbuildable model” I visualize parts that won’t fit together, but it seems that some have a larger view point of what makes an “unbuildable model”. I am a member of several modeling forums. Some are more critical than others I accept that, but some members on these forums feel it is their duty to examine every kit that comes out so as to identify all the errors. There is nothing wrong with this on the surface, but when this turns into a campaign to bash the company, and by extension anyone who wants to build the offending kit, then I think the quest for absolute accuracy has gone too far. On a forum lately a guy was building a M1A1 Abrams from Academy, not the most accurate kit out there, was immediately confronted with a barrage of comments about the kit accuracy. Look this guy just wanted to build a kit that wasn’t hard to build that looked like a Abrams, but I’m sure by the time the accuracy Gestapo was finished he felt like an idiot. Some of the comments sound like this “Well if you want to build and accurate “whatever” you will have to do this.” Or how about “Well if you don’t care about accuracy then I guess its ok”. I have seen threads completely die because one of these jerks points out some minor mistake the modeler has made. It’s as if others on the forum are afraid to cross the accuracy police also. I posted my M103 on a large well know armor site (AR) and it has received a whopping two comments. Here is one of them “Nice job. This kit has been beat up worse than a bull riding cowboy on several threads so far, but it's nice to see one built up basically OOB and looking this good. Thanks for sharing.” A good comment, but it is tone of relief I hear that someone had the gall to buck the “experts”. How many modelers don’t post their work because of some of these asinine accuracy crusaders? I know we pay a lot of money for kits these days and some of the companies should do a better job sometimes, but don’t take it out on the run of the mill modeler he are she is just trying to enjoy the hobby and get some feedback. If you don’t like the model post a complaint on the company’s website and leave the rest of us alone. There is no model that’s really “unbuildable”.

Terry B)
 
The "Unbuildable" Kit:

When I think of the “unbuildable model” I visualize parts that won’t fit together, but it seems that some have a larger view point of what makes an “unbuildable model”. I am a member of several modeling forums. Some are more critical than others I accept that, but some members on these forums feel it is their duty to examine every kit that comes out so as to identify all the errors. There is nothing wrong with this on the surface, but when this turns into a campaign to bash the company, and by extension anyone who wants to build the offending kit, then I think the quest for absolute accuracy has gone too far. On a forum lately a guy was building a M1A1 Abrams from Academy, not the most accurate kit out there, was immediately confronted with a barrage of comments about the kit accuracy. Look this guy just wanted to build a kit that wasn’t hard to build that looked like a Abrams, but I’m sure by the time the accuracy Gestapo was finished he felt like an idiot. Some of the comments sound like this “Well if you want to build and accurate “whatever” you will have to do this.” Or how about “Well if you don’t care about accuracy then I guess its ok”. I have seen threads completely die because one of these jerks points out some minor mistake the modeler has made. It’s as if others on the forum are afraid to cross the accuracy police also. I posted my M103 on a large well know armor site (AR) and it has received a whopping two comments. Here is one of them “Nice job. This kit has been beat up worse than a bull riding cowboy on several threads so far, but it's nice to see one built up basically OOB and looking this good. Thanks for sharing.” A good comment, but it is tone of relief I hear that someone had the gall to buck the “experts”. How many modelers don’t post their work because of some of these asinine accuracy crusaders? I know we pay a lot of money for kits these days and some of the companies should do a better job sometimes, but don’t take it out on the run of the mill modeler he are she is just trying to enjoy the hobby and get some feedback. If you don’t like the model post a complaint on the company’s website and leave the rest of us alone. There is no model that’s really “unbuildable”.

Terry B)


Tim would argue that point with you Terry, he is doing that Airfix Buck. :silly:
 
(y)

Well i learned to stay away from Bronco kits, not because they are not accurate.... it's just that i can't build them!

I love to build trumpeter and tamiya kits, maybe not 100% accurate but a joy to build :dance

It's sad when some people can't mind their own busines and ruin other modelers builds with comments like that.

//Mats
 
(y)

Well i learned to stay away from Bronco kits, not because they are not accurate.... it's just that i can't build them!

I love to build trumpeter and tamiya kits, maybe not 100% accurate but a joy to build :dance

It's sad when some people can't mind their own busines and ruin other modelers builds with comments like that.

//Mats

What I think is bad is that they raise such fuss about things that most people can't see.

:idonno
 
I like what our pal Ken Abrams has in his signature, "Build what you like and like what you build".

:soldier :pilot :mpup
 
I like what our pal Ken Abrams has in his signature, "Build what you like and like what you build".

:soldier :pilot :mpup

Not everyone is that secure. A new modeler, or someone getting back into the hobby doesn't need to be taken to task or worse ignored everytime they post a subject that doesn't meet someone elses stardard. No modeler should be made to feel stupid because they are building a less then absolute accurate kit.

Just saying.

B)
 
I couldn't agree more Terry, I've seen some real bare knuckles bru ha ha's over shape issues that for the life of me I can't even see. I don't mind the accuracy Nazi's telling me about the errors but it's not their place to put someone down if they don't feel compelled to fix them. If I feel something is out of whack enough to bother me, I'll fix it, otherwise leave me alone and let me have my fun !
 
There's always someone who needs to deal with their own insecurities by bashing others, whether it's modeling, music or anything else.

I try to just breathe a sigh of relief and remember someone out there probably deals with this person day in and day out, so I can suffer through the contact and move on.
 
I think when I post what little I tend to accomplish, this is definitely something that concerns me.

I tend to build at a glacial pace, and it seems like it's very easy for me to get discouraged w/ things, so getting negative feedback like that I think would definitely take the wind out of the sails and make it hard to continue.

Thankfully I've not ever been the recipient of that kind of "feedback" but it's definitely something I worry about.

I know this is something I've seen w/ a few kits specifically. The Academy 1/32 F-16C kit comes to mind very quickly. Apparently when Academy did their 1/32 F-18C, they just hit it out of the park, everyone thought the shape looked great, had all the stuff it should have, etc. But when they did the F-16C, according to the purists, its a steaming pile of poo. For me, it looks like an F-16C. I'm one that I prefer thing to be fairly accurate, going as far as making sure that I'm using decals accurate to the specific variant. But if it comes to making massive changes to correct a slight issue, just isn't worth it to me. But I've seen people post on someones build thread how the whole model is just horrible b/c the pitot tube is backwards and this panel is too high, and so on & so forth, which seems to happen on a regular basis when people post builds of this kit. It should be interesting b/c I've got 2 of them in my stash, haha, w/ plans on building both.
 
Well, I am an accuracy nut... for my models that is. More than once, I have posted on other sites to have a model which I haven't even started building being cut to shreds or (supposedly as a joke) told to hide it under tarps or dug in the sand. Really, it happened!

Over here, I offer information that can be taken if they want. This is a hobby that people enjoy in so many different ways. As such, why would I impose my standards and expectations on them?

For me, adding the details which make it mine are what makes me happy (aside from a sharkmouth scheme). Not everyone cares to do this. I have the greatest respect for those that add the details on their own and don't depend on the aftermarket crowd. Believe it or not, I also greatly respect those that build out of the box as they haven't forgotten the way I used to build when I was young... I built models for the sheer fun of it!

As for completed models, they are the least interesting to me as I don't see the work the artist did, only the final result. It may be wonderfully painted but it seems to be the end of the journey without being shown the roads traveled. Again, this is my take. Using the the previous analogy as a segue... your mileage may vary!

Regards,
 
I agree with all the above . I usually do some small improvements but don't feel like every think need to be down to the last rivet.
If I did, nothing would ever get finished.

A prime example is the Clog I am currently working . I will not lay it against a blueprint. No telling which revision of the blue print you're looking at anyway.

To me it looks like a version of the clog and that's good enough for me.

Cheers, Christian B)
 
I add some extra details to most of the things I build. I just can't help myself. What I been seeing is systematic cutting to ribbons a new released kit to the point that no one wants to build it, or at least not telling anyone they are building it. Why should some Google researcher have that much power. Heaven forbid anyone should post building one of these alleged "steaming piles of poo"(that was funny Adam) because the gods of accuracy will descend and hijack your thread and kill it. That way no one will dare to post one of those "steaming piles of poo" again.

B)
 
The war drums are beating the new M103A2 is about to come out.

:facepalm
 
There's always someone who needs to deal with their own insecurities by bashing others, whether it's modeling, music or anything else.

I try to just breathe a sigh of relief and remember someone out there probably deals with this person day in and day out, so I can suffer through the contact and move on.

Trouble is these rivetcounteraccuracynazi's hide under the anonymity that is the internet. Face to face I believe I'd make them cry.

I build what I want, when I want and do the best job I can because that's how I'm wired. If you want a pink panzer, a yellow submarine, or rainbow spitfire, well then good for you.

Egad's a missing rivet!

:gogo

G
 
Well most people here know how I HATE :vmad rivert counters

But lets face it we dont have to worry about them at MA
BTW I have no problems with rivet counters just those that poopoo a model and never try to fix it Some of them never even builds models Those ones have a special place in hell and should be right next to Hitler :evil:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZQw6KuNKqs
 
That's why i now started to build my fictive vehicles from the german invasion of sweden 1947, no one can come and say that something is wrong then :evil:

Gonna start writing the background story and then i'm set for tackling the rivetcounters!!

//Mats
 
If you want a pink panzer, a yellow submarine, or rainbow spitfire, well then good for you.

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