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Kinetic

paddy

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What is the story behind Kinetic ? are their kits just reboxed , are they any good ? They are very expensive in the UK over Airfix and Tamiya and reboxed Hase (over twice the price).
Tempted with some of their Harrier versions but if i can get the same thing from another manufacturer on ebay in a previous version/manufacture i will.
 
I don't think they rebox anything. I have four of their kits and regard them as something I only buy if there is no better alternative for the subject.
 
Kinetic, whose current owner is the man behind Lucky Models, had a rough start with their Falcons so have started anew with their "Kinetic Gold" series which is MUCH better than the original.

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Here is a look at the original Kinetic Harrier, the one to avoid:

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A build of the Kinetic Gold Harrier:
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Plus a list, based on the older molds, of corrections (some of them still needed on the wings as the rework dealt with the fit):

Taken from the now defunct Harrier SIG​

http://www.harriersig.org.uk
Fuselage – Some modeller’s stray from the instruction’s build sequence and do it this way:
Fit the intake/front wheel-well pieces (P25, P26) into each fuselage half.
Add the intake interior parts (N11, N12) to the outside of each half, then
Fit the intake exteriors to each half with open/closed auxiliary doors in place
N1 and N2 (open) use these for a parked Harrier on the ground, engine off.
N4 and N6 (closed) use these for a Harrier in flight at speed; not hovering or taxying!
For a Harrier in the hover or taxying, modify N1 and N2 to show all doors open.
Fit the cockpit tub in one half before joining the fuselage halves together
Finish the intakes with parts P34 and C3
Add the main undercarriage bay and airbrake bay assembly into the rear fuselage

Replace the nozzle mechanism with a 36mm (approx.) spacer fitted between the nozzle openings to keep the fuselage the correct width for adding the wings to.

Wingtips – Remove the small raised triangles ahead of the outrigger fairings inside parts 11 and I3. Adjust the shape of both parts to better fit with part I2 along the outer edge of the outrigger fairings.

Wing Leading Edge – Fill the step under the dog-tooth ahead of the inboard pylons and the step down on the fillet underneath where the wing meets the fuselage.

Wing trailing edge – Thin down the inside surfaces of the trailing edges to avoid any step down to the ailerons and flaps.

Flaps – Usually up on parked Harriers, unless the aircraft had hydraulic issues. Pilots were fined for leaving them down so causing extra work for armourers and maintainers! Often seen 8-degrees down in lower speed flight (under 180kts) to provide increased lift.

Ailerons – Usually level on parked Harriers, occasionally one up, one down. NEVER both down on any first-generation Harrier single-seater GR.1, GR.1A, GR.3, AV-8A, AV-8S or Sea Harrier; or any 1st gen twin-stick. Use aileron hinge parts E4 on both sides. (The ability to drop both ailerons was a Harrier II development i.e. the AV-8B series, GR.5/7/9 and the two seaters – TAV-8B, T.10/12.)

Tailplanes – Check with photographs to get the correct anhedral and ‘stick-forward cows get bigger’ position of tailplanes on parked Harriers. Fill the step in the port tailplane (C17) underside’s leading edge.

Outrigger legs – For all GR.1/GR.1As and most GR.3s use parts N18 without the tie-down rings moulded on them. For Falklands War GR.3s, including XZ997/31 in marking option 6, use the outrigger legs from sprue E, parts E28, with the tie-down rings on them. For the later XZ997/V with IV(AC) Squadron use parts N18.

Pilot’s step – Fit P39 if the model depicts a Harrier with the canopy open, engine running or not. The step was connected to the canopy by a cord – close the canopy and the step retracts.

Undercarriage door and airbrake positions – Parked 1st generation Harriers front undercarriage bay doors were usually open with the twin main bay doors closed, unless they had been manually opened for inspection. The front doors could be opened/closed manually too on the ground. When the engine was running both front and main doors closed automatically to minimise foreign object damage. The airbrake is usually partially dropped on parked and taxying Harriers; see photographs.

Inboard pylons – For all GR.1/GR.1A/GR.3s use parts P27, P28, P32 and P33 with their straight leading edges. The instructions call-out the part numbers correctly, but the drawings show the Sea Harrier’s different shaped pylons (D1-D4) – do NOT use those!

Wing fences – should be fitted perpendicular to the wing leading edge, the longest sections of parts PE2 and PE3 being on the wing upper surface; ease the slots with a razor saw.

Radar Altimeter Aerials – None of the kit’s marking options need part PE24 fitted; these aerials only being fitted to some Harrier GR.3s in the late 1980s – check photographic references for the GR.3 you are depicting!

ALE-40 Chaff/Flare Dispenser – Fitted to some GR.3s which served during the Falklands War and then to many of the fleet after the war but not to XZ997! Part D28 left over from the FA.2 kit can be used if the GR.3 you build had ALE-40s; modify part I34 as needed.

Main nozzle fairing 8-fingered reinforcing plate (PE1) – This was only fitted to some GR.3s from the mid-1980s where the area had been damaged by heat and is only needed on XZ997/V in this kit.

PE Fret – This item has been expanded to include all Kinetic Harrier PE parts, so some parts are not needed for this kit, e.g. 5, 14, 15, 17, 18, 19 are two-seat Harrier parts; 22, 23 are for the AV-8S and any AV-8A with formation lights. PE25 is for US-style of radar altimeter aerial panel used on the AV-8A and AV-8S.

Ordnance – We asked for better, but the cost of new tooling is prohibitive when trying to keep the kit sensibly priced, so Raymond is leaving this to the aftermarket people. Eduard and ResKit now produce excellent UK ordnance for all Harriers and Sea Harriers, though a few gaps remain to be plugged. Note: Of the kit’s tank options, RAF Harriers only used 100-gallon tanks, they did not carry the Sea Harrier’s larger 190-gallon tanks.

Pylons – Watch Out! Discovered too late to change… The inboard pylons need their location adjusting backwards because when fitted “as made” they ‘throw’ the 100-gallon tanks 4-5mm too far forward; the tip of the tank’s nose should be level with the rear edge of the small fuel vent E10 when it’s in place. The inboard pylons are also 4mm too long, this needs to be removed from their trailing edges. The outboard pylons need moving 3mm outboard and also need moving back about 2mm. Adjust all pylons’ upper surfaces so they do not carry their stores nose down.
 
Sadly, a pay wall so I don't see his build. I wondered as he calls it a very good kit but it only earns 3 stars (60%)? In school, that is a failing grade and certainly not "very good" but fair. I wanted to see what issues he had and if he compared it to the earlier (not Kinetic Gold) Harrier build.
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As you say the one to avoid is the T Harrier, or any of the non gold versions , there are online builds where people just gave up :) and it looks like the wing is from another model :)

so thats the one i will order. lets face it...........it would be boring if things just fitted :giggle: online builds need excitement, cliff hangers and jeopardy and quite often complete failure is more entertaining than a walk in the park.
 
As you say the one to avoid is the T Harrier, or any of the non gold versions
That is true for the Harrier series. I have a lot of the non-Kinetic Gold kits which are good (lots of flash and fit issues but one can complete them):

Fit issues but very good.
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Flash but good.
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Didn't build, traded off.
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Soft details but one can build it.
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Felt like a scaled up 48th scale kit... soft details but one can build it.
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Very good but fit issues.
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Not bad but second place to AMK
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Much better than the older kits but a challenge.
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Very good but fit issues.
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I also have the original F-16 Falcon and it was only fair. Too many mistakes and fit issues.
 
Hey didn't Kinetic make kit of the fly pancake??....This is not a joke, I recall seeing one at a show for sale...it might or might not have been a Kinetic kit. :bm:
 
If it goes zoom..zoom through the air...I don't know anything about it...yet :pilot
 
From my personal experience (1/48 Mirage III & 1/48 F-16XL)...

Pros: They do offer a lot of kits (or variants) that other manufacturers don't. They have a reasonable level of detail (my Mirage IIIO was built OOB). In the end, fit has been decent (though a bit of work to get there).

Cons: Large sprue gates & flash resulting in a fair bit of cleanup of parts. A bit of finesse & fiddling is usually required in fitting of parts (they don't fall together like a newer Tamiya). Some kits are priced a bit high competing in price points of better finished kits (I feel like you shouldn't have to do so much clean up on a $75+ kit).

If enjoy the construction/fitting/assembly stage I don't see a reason to avoid the Kinetic kits. But if you are more into the painting/finishing side of modeling, I would probably lean towards other options if available. Note, I don't have personal experience w/ the "Gold" kits... I've only built/building a couple of the standard kits (and I do have a couple others in the stash).

One of my earlier builds (Mirage III kit). Despite the additional fitting work required, you don't have to be super skilled to assemble, just have a bit of patience. https://modelersalliance.org/threads/aussie-mirage-iiio-77-sqn-finished.151426/

My current build (F-16XL) that I need to get back too. https://modelersalliance.org/threads/idf-f-16xl-whif-1-48-kinetic.156646/
 
Pretty sure this was a Kinetic model, (not the mine roller though) and it was pretty rough in many ways. Locator pins with no matching holes, locator holes with no matching pins, locator pins and holes that don‘t line up, sink marks, bad fit etc.

Was the only game in town when I built it and I made it work but it wasn’t easy.

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Pretty sure this was a Kinetic model, (not the mine roller though) and it was pretty rough in many ways. Locator pins with no matching holes, locator holes with no matching pins, locator pins and holes that don‘t line up, sink marks, bad fit etc.

Definitely this kit and ditto on the issues, not a Kinetic Gold kit!
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Sounds a lot like the Russian "Alan" kit of the Panzer I F I worked on a year ago. None of the locator pins had matching holes and it was pretty much a mess. Only redeeming point was it was a small and fairly simple kit.
 
So looking at this kinetic model it got me thinking, Somewhere i must have a GR3 in 1/24 scale. I remember buying it maybe 20 years ago ?. Having found it is 1997.
I remember thinking i will not bother with this because of the surface detail, in particular the rivets, so stashed it away never to be seen again until now.
Now i wonder with a little more experience i might be able to make something of this .

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as you can see its been riveted to death although these are close up pictures.
so the question is....what to do with it ? I have seen a guy build this by filling the rivets with a mixture of super glue and talc ? which sounds like a load of work with an uncertain out come so i wondered what would happen if i sprayed it with a filler primer then sanded it back with 1200 grit or finer.

any thoughts ?

i also found the flightpath resin detail up parts i bought at the time inc cockpit tub, sides, seat and airbrake. looking at these now in the 21st century i dont think i would use them :) but i am sure they were an improvement back in the day.
 
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