Italeri Triumph 3 HW
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Italeri Triumph 3 HW Finished
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phantom II
Master at Arms
Italeri Triumph 3 HW
Very well done indeed
Cheer, Christian B)
Very well done indeed
Cheer, Christian B)
paddy
Well-known member
Italeri Triumph 3 HW
You know how you put off some things
well these are my panniers ! I have looked at other peoples models and the real thing on the internet and i cant decide if these are supposed to be canvas or like belt webbing or even leather like saddle bags ?
Most of the black parts are rubber straps and the seats incidentally impossible to glue !! even having cleaned them with rubbing alcohol, super glue and araldite will not stick them
I think i will go with a khaki webbing type finish with leather straps. that said my artistic skills are Zero so who knows what they will turn out like My plan for the leather is to spray the rubber white then attack with oil paints like i did for wood grain on the WnW's models ? The canvas will just be an experimernt in shadding i think
Wish me luck :dude this could be a dispatch bike without panniers soon ....
You know how you put off some things
well these are my panniers ! I have looked at other peoples models and the real thing on the internet and i cant decide if these are supposed to be canvas or like belt webbing or even leather like saddle bags ?
Most of the black parts are rubber straps and the seats incidentally impossible to glue !! even having cleaned them with rubbing alcohol, super glue and araldite will not stick them
I think i will go with a khaki webbing type finish with leather straps. that said my artistic skills are Zero so who knows what they will turn out like
My plan for the leather is to spray the rubber white then attack with oil paints like i did for wood grain on the WnW's models ? The canvas will just be an experimernt in shadding i thinkWish me luck :dude this could be a dispatch bike without panniers soon ....
phantom II
Master at Arms
Italeri Triumph 3 HW
Maybe a dumb question , but have you tried asking the manufacturer for technical help ?
Cheers, Christian B)
Maybe a dumb question , but have you tried asking the manufacturer for technical help ?
Cheers, Christian B)
paddy
Well-known member
Italeri Triumph 3 HW
I suspect its one of those things where they used what ever they had depending on theatre. My bike is supposed to be REME (Royal Electrical and Mechanical Engineers) France 1939. I suspect canvas webbing.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=triumph+3hw&espv=2&biw=1920&bih=955&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi-tNjmnefOAhUlLsAKHQWkBrIQsAQIGw
I suspect its one of those things where they used what ever they had depending on theatre. My bike is supposed to be REME (Royal Electrical and Mechanical Engineers) France 1939. I suspect canvas webbing.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=triumph+3hw&espv=2&biw=1920&bih=955&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi-tNjmnefOAhUlLsAKHQWkBrIQsAQIGw
Iron Mike
Master At Arms And Resident Curmudgeon
Italeri Triumph 3 HW
May I suggest Dr Mike's CA? It will bond dissimilar materials, Mike did a demo at AMPS where he glued rubber to plastic. I used it to glue my Tamiya rubber tracks together and it worked like magic. Very strong bond.
As to the leather, seems lots of thing layers or several colors is the key. Andy Fettes has posted SBS photos on the subject.
May I suggest Dr Mike's CA? It will bond dissimilar materials, Mike did a demo at AMPS where he glued rubber to plastic. I used it to glue my Tamiya rubber tracks together and it worked like magic. Very strong bond.
As to the leather, seems lots of thing layers or several colors is the key. Andy Fettes has posted SBS photos on the subject.
Italeri Triumph 3 HW
Bull.
Start with a mid brown and dry brush it with darker colors, then highlight with a light brown. Layers on layers.
I thought we had a SBS on leather painting, can't find it. :hmmm
Found it but the pictures are missing...
Having looked at the pictures again i have changed my mind. the panniers are too square to be canvas, they must be leather like a suitcase to hold that shape. Chances of me getting them to look like leather are slim
Bull.
Start with a mid brown and dry brush it with darker colors, then highlight with a light brown. Layers on layers.
I thought we had a SBS on leather painting, can't find it. :hmmm
Found it but the pictures are missing...
paddy
Well-known member
Italeri Triumph 3 HW
This episode is called
Blindly bashing on without a clue what i am doing
These are the panniers and frame.
and together
The bottom part of the frame is incorporated in the pannier ie the triangular sides. i thought maybe i could separate the two and fabricate the frame as it should be...trouble was the bit i cut off was way to thick so i made a new bit and cut the back to be more like an open frame (as it should be)
Result was a mess....so now i have destroyed the kit parts i need to scratch build some new frames out of plastic card
like this
These are not finished but you get the idea. The plus for these is if i cant think of a way of making some panniers at least i can mount just the frames on the bike and they will look correct.
This episode is called
Blindly bashing on without a clue what i am doing
These are the panniers and frame.
and together
The bottom part of the frame is incorporated in the pannier ie the triangular sides. i thought maybe i could separate the two and fabricate the frame as it should be...trouble was the bit i cut off was way to thick so i made a new bit and cut the back to be more like an open frame (as it should be)
Result was a mess....so now i have destroyed the kit parts i need to scratch build some new frames out of plastic card
like this
These are not finished but you get the idea. The plus for these is if i cant think of a way of making some panniers at least i can mount just the frames on the bike and they will look correct.
paddy
Well-known member
Italeri Triumph 3 HW
Major cockup !!
after quite a few hours and failed attempts i came up with a couple of pannier frames. These were much lighter and thinner than the kit items and had slightly more detail which would be needed if i wasnt going to fit the panniers themselves.
Having looked at a dozen+ other completed models on Google, no one has yet nailed leather or canvas and i can't see how i could do much better. The problem is the scale, Canvas looks pretty convincing in 1/35 scale on the back of a truck but the method doesnt translate to 1:9 scale. Its difficult to describe but its not unlike the problem i once had building a model car, model cars always look like model cars because you just cant scale the paint and reflections in gloss because cars are always outside and the lighting is so different from the lighting in your house. Try taking a digital picture outside in the sun and again on the same setting in a room with the lights on and see what happens to the colours. With the eye the brain corrects this (white balance) automatically. Looking out the window now at a gloss black car for example. If you take a digital picture of it and blow it up to pixels how many pixels would be Black ?...not many if any at all. The car is reflecting the sky and other reflected items, these reflections are almost impossible to recreate in doors and to scale.
anyway back to leather and canvas, most people seem to paint a caricature of how leather would look, a sort of cartoon leather but it doesnt really stand scrutiny in 1:9 scale.The lighting is never right, the folds and edges are wrong, let's face it if the lighting and folds were right you wouldnt need to spray in shadows and so on, they would be there naturally.
Bottom line is i want this to look right so i need good pannier frames.
The major cockup mentioned above is...I blindly copied the kit parts, refining and scaling them without bothering to check if the parts were right Now that is a rookie mistake
the frames i have made are too heavy, the bases should fold hence the wing nuts on the side ( i wondered what they were and the penny didn't drop)....
I have found a good picture of a Norton from the same era with pannier frames folded , ok its not a triumph but i bet the WD fitted the same frames to all the despatch bikes.
So i need to start again but at least now i have a picture of the proper thing to work too
Major cockup !!
after quite a few hours and failed attempts i came up with a couple of pannier frames. These were much lighter and thinner than the kit items and had slightly more detail which would be needed if i wasnt going to fit the panniers themselves.
Having looked at a dozen+ other completed models on Google, no one has yet nailed leather or canvas and i can't see how i could do much better. The problem is the scale, Canvas looks pretty convincing in 1/35 scale on the back of a truck but the method doesnt translate to 1:9 scale. Its difficult to describe but its not unlike the problem i once had building a model car, model cars always look like model cars because you just cant scale the paint and reflections in gloss because cars are always outside and the lighting is so different from the lighting in your house. Try taking a digital picture outside in the sun and again on the same setting in a room with the lights on and see what happens to the colours. With the eye the brain corrects this (white balance) automatically. Looking out the window now at a gloss black car for example. If you take a digital picture of it and blow it up to pixels how many pixels would be Black ?...not many if any at all. The car is reflecting the sky and other reflected items, these reflections are almost impossible to recreate in doors and to scale.
anyway back to leather and canvas, most people seem to paint a caricature of how leather would look, a sort of cartoon leather but it doesnt really stand scrutiny in 1:9 scale.The lighting is never right, the folds and edges are wrong, let's face it if the lighting and folds were right you wouldnt need to spray in shadows and so on, they would be there naturally.
Bottom line is i want this to look right so i need good pannier frames.
The major cockup mentioned above is...I blindly copied the kit parts, refining and scaling them without bothering to check if the parts were right
Now that is a rookie mistake the frames i have made are too heavy, the bases should fold hence the wing nuts on the side ( i wondered what they were and the penny didn't drop)....
I have found a good picture of a Norton from the same era with pannier frames folded , ok its not a triumph but i bet the WD fitted the same frames to all the despatch bikes.
So i need to start again but at least now i have a picture of the proper thing to work too
Italeri Triumph 3 HW
1:9 scale...:hmmm
Why not get some real leather? I don't know much about leather but isn't there some really fine, thin leather that could be worked with? Don't ask me details, I'm the big picture guy.
1:9 scale...:hmmm
Why not get some real leather? I don't know much about leather but isn't there some really fine, thin leather that could be worked with? Don't ask me details, I'm the big picture guy.
paddy
Well-known member
Italeri Triumph 3 HW
Ha ha...back again ...you are going to get fed up with me soon
anyway 3rd time lucky
These are much lighter and close to the real thing this time. I have hinged the base part so it can be displayed folded up, or down with a pannier attached depending if i can think of a way to make them.
Looks better mounted and nearer the Norton picture further up this page. Just needs another coat of paint and a flat coat.
away now for the weekend so will have another look next week
Thanks for looking guys
Ha ha...back again ...you are going to get fed up with me soon
anyway 3rd time lucky
These are much lighter and close to the real thing this time. I have hinged the base part so it can be displayed folded up, or down with a pannier attached depending if i can think of a way to make them.
Looks better mounted and nearer the Norton picture further up this page. Just needs another coat of paint and a flat coat.
away now for the weekend so will have another look next week
Thanks for looking guys
Italeri Triumph 3 HW
Major improvement!
Major improvement!
phantom II
Master at Arms
Italeri Triumph 3 HW
Very cool indeed
Cheers, Christian B)
Very cool indeed
Cheers, Christian B)
