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Kingtiger10
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Im thinking of repainting my 1/35 Tamiya Ausf A 35065 and I was wondering if the Panther tank at the museum in was a Ausf A used by the Free French Forces after WW2 . Or is this beast an Ausf G? Any Answers 
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S P Hammerton
Banned
Greetings and Salutations KT10
I've had a look at some images from Saumur, and the Panther has a later-type commanders cupola, a kugelblende bow mg station and a drivers visor flap on the glacis.
All of this points to an Ausf.A
If there had been no drivers visor, then it would have been a G.
I hope this has been of some help to you.
Simon
I've had a look at some images from Saumur, and the Panther has a later-type commanders cupola, a kugelblende bow mg station and a drivers visor flap on the glacis.
All of this points to an Ausf.A
If there had been no drivers visor, then it would have been a G.
I hope this has been of some help to you.
Simon
AndyFettes
Master at Arms
But what about the angle of the side armour doesnt that constitute a G ?
I get really confused with late A`s and Early G`s
I get really confused with late A`s and Early G`s
Matt Stephenson
New member
Hi KT10,
I believe that I can help you with your question about the Samaur Panther(s).
The Panther which Im guessing your asking about is a late version Ausf A, with turret number 211. This tank has features such as a kugelblende machine gun mount on the front glasis and a drivers direct vision flap, and zimmerit - all features of mid to late production Ausf A's. The Fgst number is a production number, and can help you to track which factory built the tank, and possibly which unit it was sent to and intially operated it.
I believe that the museum has three Ausf A's, with tank number 211 being the one most people know as it is in running condition. The other two Ausf A's on last report were static display only. These tanks have been given Fgst numbers of 158127, 158134 and 158146 which would make them all Demag production vehicles.
The museum also has a Ausf G which is still in its post war free french colours and markings, and according to a google search is currently undergoing restoration. Do a google search and you will find some pics. Both the Ausf a and Ausf G had shurtzen - side armour skirts fitted.
I believe that the Free French operated both the Ausf A and Ausf G post war.
Also, the museum has a Bergepanther armoured engineer recovery tank, but this isnt on public display.
As for modelling one of the Ausf A's, Im not sure that I would pick the old tamiya kit as it has a lot of accuracy issues. At best I would say that this kit resembles and gives an impression of a panther, however if its something realatively inexpensive and straight forward you want then you can go past this kit as a start. If you wanted something more accurate then get the Dragon kit. This kit is good but is more complex than the Tamiya kit from the 70's.
At the end of the day, the choice is yours. I hope all this info helps.
Matt
(Panther Nerd!)
I believe that I can help you with your question about the Samaur Panther(s).
The Panther which Im guessing your asking about is a late version Ausf A, with turret number 211. This tank has features such as a kugelblende machine gun mount on the front glasis and a drivers direct vision flap, and zimmerit - all features of mid to late production Ausf A's. The Fgst number is a production number, and can help you to track which factory built the tank, and possibly which unit it was sent to and intially operated it.
I believe that the museum has three Ausf A's, with tank number 211 being the one most people know as it is in running condition. The other two Ausf A's on last report were static display only. These tanks have been given Fgst numbers of 158127, 158134 and 158146 which would make them all Demag production vehicles.
The museum also has a Ausf G which is still in its post war free french colours and markings, and according to a google search is currently undergoing restoration. Do a google search and you will find some pics.
Both the Ausf a and Ausf G had shurtzen - side armour skirts fitted.I believe that the Free French operated both the Ausf A and Ausf G post war.
Also, the museum has a Bergepanther armoured engineer recovery tank, but this isnt on public display.
As for modelling one of the Ausf A's, Im not sure that I would pick the old tamiya kit as it has a lot of accuracy issues. At best I would say that this kit resembles and gives an impression of a panther, however if its something realatively inexpensive and straight forward you want then you can go past this kit as a start. If you wanted something more accurate then get the Dragon kit. This kit is good but is more complex than the Tamiya kit from the 70's.
At the end of the day, the choice is yours. I hope all this info helps.
Matt
(Panther Nerd!)
AndyFettes
Master at Arms
perhapes King should post a pic of the Panther that he is referring to
so we can all sleep soundly in bed tonight and not think about it as Im doing
so we can all sleep soundly in bed tonight and not think about it as Im doing
Kreighshoer
Active member
andyfettes wrote:
to ensure you have a pleasant sleep: http://www.howitzer.dk/vehicles/germanww2.htm
looks like an ausf. a!
perhapes King should post a pic of the Panther that he is referring to
so we can all sleep soundly in bed tonight and not think about it as Im doing
to ensure you have a pleasant sleep: http://www.howitzer.dk/vehicles/germanww2.htm
looks like an ausf. a!
S P Hammerton
Banned
andyfettes wrote:
Er Mate. You really need to get out more
Simon
perhapes King should post a pic of the Panther that he is referring to
so we can all sleep soundly in bed tonight and not think about it as Im doing
Er Mate. You really need to get out more
Simon
AndyFettes
Master at Arms
I know I should really but its that electronic tag on my ankle, keeps going off
Great link, Laura !!!
Great link, Laura !!!
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Kingtiger10
Guest
http://bp1.blogger.com/_CbwnjooteyI/R299MuAqaEI/AAAAAAAADns/3RQaxUU5Yjo/s1600-h/Panther+20.JPG
Thats the best picture i can find of the tank, my gut feeling is that its a Ausf G
Kingtiger10 :cheer:
Thats the best picture i can find of the tank, my gut feeling is that its a Ausf G
Kingtiger10 :cheer:
Kreighshoer
Active member
correct matthew - that's an ausf. g!
S P Hammerton
Banned
You sure Laura?
It's not the best angle on the glacis plate, but that looks like a drivers vision port without the visor, then just plated over to keep the weather out.
Simon
It's not the best angle on the glacis plate, but that looks like a drivers vision port without the visor, then just plated over to keep the weather out.
Simon
Kreighshoer
Active member
S P Hammerton wrote:
yepp! i've seen the plated over vision port but the side armor with the lentgthened side sponsons in combination with the steeper angle of the side armor and the driver's periscope makes it definitely a g!
an early g! maybe a very early g! have a look at the engine deck! no raised fan!
yepp! i've seen the plated over vision port but the side armor with the lentgthened side sponsons in combination with the steeper angle of the side armor and the driver's periscope makes it definitely a g!
an early g! maybe a very early g! have a look at the engine deck! no raised fan!
S P Hammerton
Banned
I'm happy to stand corrected :kiss:
Simon
Simon
Kreighshoer
Active member
S P Hammerton wrote:
same here! i'm far from being a panther specialist and will be more than happy if someone with deeper knowledge corrects me! but up to now i'm more than sure!
same here! i'm far from being a panther specialist and will be more than happy if someone with deeper knowledge corrects me! but up to now i'm more than sure!
Matt Stephenson
New member
Hi Guys,
Now I dont claim to an expert on the topic, but I believe that Laura is right about the Panther from the link is an Ausf G. The driver's periscope, the angle of the side armour and the fitting of a "fender" rail along the length of the side are all key features of the Ausf G.
The turret on this type was practically identical to the ones on the Ausf A's. As Laura has also pointed out, this tank doesn't have the raised crew heater fan on the engine deck which would suggest that it is an early production Ausf G. I did a google search on the background of this tank, and it is believed that it was originally supplied to the 9th SS Division before falling into Allied ownership.
I hope everyone gets a better night's sleep now.
Matt.
Now I dont claim to an expert on the topic, but I believe that Laura is right about the Panther from the link is an Ausf G. The driver's periscope, the angle of the side armour and the fitting of a "fender" rail along the length of the side are all key features of the Ausf G.
The turret on this type was practically identical to the ones on the Ausf A's. As Laura has also pointed out, this tank doesn't have the raised crew heater fan on the engine deck which would suggest that it is an early production Ausf G. I did a google search on the background of this tank, and it is believed that it was originally supplied to the 9th SS Division before falling into Allied ownership.
I hope everyone gets a better night's sleep now.
Matt.
jtrowbridge5
New member
loads of photos on my smugmug site
Dennis
http://jtrowbridge5.smugmug.com/PANTHERS-in-WW2/PANTHER-in-SAUMUR/13331678_ZDH4k#908668628_Nrdhb.
and the Bergpanther
http://jtrowbridge5.smugmug.com/Saumurs-Heavy-Tanks/Bergpanther-Winch/12671023_ZRixF#911339023_2j9fc-A-LB
Dennis
http://jtrowbridge5.smugmug.com/PANTHERS-in-WW2/PANTHER-in-SAUMUR/13331678_ZDH4k#908668628_Nrdhb.
and the Bergpanther
http://jtrowbridge5.smugmug.com/Saumurs-Heavy-Tanks/Bergpanther-Winch/12671023_ZRixF#911339023_2j9fc-A-LB
AndyFettes
Master at Arms
Hey Dennis, I love your site and often refer to it for inspiration for all sorts figures, vehicles, etc etc etc.
panzerace007
Active member
jtrowbridge5 wrote:
Out of the Shadows !! DENNIS ! You come through again My friend !! Glad to see you over here at TnT !! :Hiay 
Thanx for sharing your Pix !!!
ERIK
Out of the Shadows !! DENNIS !
You come through again My friend !! Glad to see you over here at TnT !! :Hiay Thanx for sharing your Pix !!!
ERIK
jtrowbridge5
New member
Erik.
you seem to be everywhere,a true modelling friend who always supports me
Dennis
you seem to be everywhere,a true modelling friend who always supports me
Dennis
panzerace007
Active member
jtrowbridge5 wrote:
DENNIS,
Thanx for the kind words !! & I share the same sentiment towards you ! With your Picture Collections you Give Me inspiration to detail Panzers & Ideas for Dio's & Figures !! A Thousand Thank You's
:drink With all of the Time that you put into gathering your Collections YOU are an Unsung Hero to Modelers or at least to Me !!
ERIK
DENNIS,
Thanx for the kind words !! & I share the same sentiment towards you ! With your Picture Collections you Give Me inspiration to detail Panzers & Ideas for Dio's & Figures !! A Thousand Thank You's
:drink With all of the Time that you put into gathering your Collections YOU are an Unsung Hero to Modelers or at least to Me !! ERIK