• Modelers Alliance has updated the forum software on our website. We have migrated all post, content and user accounts but we could not migrate the passwords.
    This requires that you manually reset your password.
    Please click here, http://modelersalliance.org/forums/login to go to logon page and use the "Forgot your Password" option.

Logistics, The Figures Updated Feb 8th, 2021

Logistics, The Figures Updated April. 16, 2014

Thanks Adam and Terry!


Lot of figures and patience :notworthy

I gotta tell you Son, Patience is a word that I have heard when people see my work all my life. The strange thing is, I am the most impatient person I have ever known. I drive the wife crazy with my total lack of patience. The truth is, I love doing this stuff so much, it overrides my patience switch.

Every time I take a group of people through the museum I inevitably hear, "You build all these"?

"Yeah, most of 'em".

"You must have the patience of a saint".

"Nope, none at all".
 
Logistics, The Figures Updated April. 16, 2014

Thanks James!


...man , I really very impressed with the your dedication and patience with this project...my congratulations :good:

Best!

Luiz

Thanks Luiz. There's that patience word again! :yipee

Bob
 
Logistics, The Figures Updated April. 16, 2014

Hi Bob,

What fun to catch up on this thread!!!!

All the detail on these airborne guys really makes them look the part :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy


These are going to steal the 'scene' I think :) :)

Randy
 
Logistics, The Figures Updated April. 16, 2014

Hey Bob, haven't caught up for a while - hope you are well.

:notworthy :eek:hmy: That's just mind blowing.
I get nervous about more than 2 figures and you do that many,at that quality - man what is the secret to your method. :drinks
I get the talent part as you do great looking figures, but can you pass on your methods for this kind of production line at 'high quality finish' results?
Do you paint all the same colors at once?

I need to know because it is a real show stopper for me on future dio's with a lot of figures.
I need some of your mojo man. :) :dude

I know you wrote quite a bit a couple of pages back on motivation (i really enjoyed your insight) but I would also love to hear your actual method for this scale of painting (as in when the flesh and when the uniforms and how many at a time etc/ only if you can - sometimes it can get a little tedious so I understand if the detail is to much.

Ian.
 
Logistics, The Figures Updated April. 16, 2014

Hi Bob,

What fun to catch up on this thread!!!!

All the detail on these airborne guys really makes them look the part :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy


These are going to steal the 'scene' I think :) :)

Randy

Hey Randy!

I have definitely put more detail in these than in any previous diorama I have built. They're not up to historical figure show quality like Euromilitaire or The Chicago show, but not bad for diorama figures, especially for 350 diorama figures. I set out to improve them even though there are a lot more than in any earlier diorama I have built. As I have said previously, this is more than likely the last one of these really big ones I'll ever build, so, I wanted it to be really special.

Thanks so much!

Bob

B) That's just mind blowing.
I get nervous about more than 2 figures and you do that many,at that quality - man what is the secret to your method. :drinks
I get the talent part as you do great looking figures, but can you pass on your methods for this kind of production line at 'high quality finish' results?
Do you paint all the same colors at once?

I need to know because it is a real show stopper for me on dio's with a lot of figures.
I need some of your mojoman. :) :dude

I know you wrote quite a bit a couple of pages back on motivation (i really enjoyed your insight) but I would also love to hear your actual method for this scale of painting (as in when the flesh and when the uniforms and how many at a time etc/ only if you can- sometimes int can get a little tedious so I understand if the detail is to much.

Ian.

Thanks Ian,

I doubt you need to learn anything from me, but, since you asked.

I build them in clusters and I paint them in clusters. No real rhyme or reason except speed. Time has always been my enemy on the big ones, especially the ones this big. At age 73, that is becoming more and more essential.

I always build the diorama first, not completely finished, but enough so that I can visualize the various sets of figures, (And vehicles, accessories), I need, the numbers of them and the posing for each. I remember back in the 70s, when I built my very first "Superdiorama", that was a nightmare. Organization is the only way to deal with it. So, I developed an organization and a pattern which has remained with me all these years. As to the figures, I break them down into groups. In this one, there are, (1) Marching American soldiers, (2) American drivers, co drivers, tank riders, etc. (3) Headquarters personnel. Generals, officers and staff supporting General Patton. (4) Both riding and marching German P.O.W.s. (5) Construction civilians, construction G.I. engineers. (6) German citizens, and (7) European refugees. Those are the seven "clusters" in this dio.

I select one cluster to build. I calculate the number of that cluster, then collect the figure kits and I have a massive figure parts box with hundreds, maybe thousands of torsos, legs arms and heads, not to mention equipment, left from seven decades of building models. As I build them , convert them and pose them, I look where they will go in the diorama, then create the right figure with the right pose and, even more importantly, I make certain each and every one is interacting with at least one other figure, usually more than that, as nothing looks worse than a bunch of single figures on a diorama having no relationship with the others. Normally, I can keep that all in my head for later reference. Sometimes it can be very complicated so I make notes.

When they are all built, I paint them in the same groups as I built them, simply because of the similarities in the colors of their uniforms. I begin with the flesh parts. I run through the group and give all flesh parts a base coat of acrylic light flesh. The next day they are ready to begin. Using flat black and raw umber acrylic paint and a 5 ought Winsor Newton brush, I paint in all the eyes. Next I mix large amounts of artist's oils on a pallet. I use titanium white, burnt sienna, and gold or yellow ochre in equal measures to make the first flesh color. Then I take a medium amount and place it to the right of the initial color and a smaller amount and place it to the right of that. Then I do the same to the left side of the initial color. Then, on the right, I add a medium amount of titanium white to that blob, and more titanium to the furthest blob. Then mix both. On the left side I do exactly the same but use burnt sienna instead of white, then mix both.

Now, I have five shades of flesh in a row from very dark shadow color on the far left all the way to a very light highlight on the far right. Then I take a smaller blob from the lightest mix, place it by itself on the pallet and add crimson red. This gives me a pinkish color for the cheeks and lips. I also add blobs of burnt umber, raw umber and gold ochre. These three colors are for hair and beard colors.

From there on out, it is basically old Henry Ford's basic assembly line. I go through each and using the initial flesh color, paint all flesh parts and around the eyes, correcting any miss strokes with the flat black and raw umber eye jobs. After I finish all of the cluster, I start over, and put in the first shadows, then the first highlights and blend. Then all with the darkest shadows and lightest highlights and blend again, and so on until the flesh parts are finished.

Then I separate the soldiers within the cluster as to uniform differences. With the paratroopers, I separated the 1943 pattern uniforms from the 1944 patterns and the ones with overcoats. That way I don't have to change colors so much on my pallet as I go through the assembly line. Once all the uniforms are painted and shaded/highlighted, then I paint the web gear with four shades of khaki, green and a sand color. No two WW II G.I.s had the same shade of web gear it seems, and all that variety in olive drab/khaki colors makes for a far more interesting and realistic appearance. You don't want to overdo any of this. It should all be subtle changes. Too much contrast jumps out at you and doesn't look real.

So, no mojo! Just the experience of painting thousands upon thousands of figures over all these years. I'm glad I developed all these systems early on as I can't work as long as I once could. There was a time when I could take some days off and work for 18 hours a day for a week or more. Those days are gone forever. About 6 to 8 hours in that chair kicks my ass anymore!

Some modelers go strictly for beauty and make gorgeous figures. Some modelers go for the technical and build fantastic trucks and tanks with every conceivable detail. I love looking at them and admire their creators, but, my goal has always been simple. Realism. realism to the point that when photographed well, the diorama can actually fool people, usually not modelers, but the rest of those people out there.

And that's my trick Ian!

Bob
 
Logistics, The Figures Updated April. 16, 2014

Thanks for sharing your technique. :good: :good:

It makes it seem as if I could do it too....given several more decades of practice :pp
CHEERS :drinks
 
Logistics, The Figures Updated April. 16, 2014

We took our house off the market and we did a complete makeover inside and out. It took three months. We did most of the work, but had professionals paint the interior and install all the granite countertops. It doesn't even look like the same house! It was finished last weekend and today I took some photos of where I am now on the figures. So far, I have finished 2 sets of tank crews and tank riders, the 25 101st Airborne marchers, plus various military and civilian figures.

gg0_zps4eaa4e94.jpg


The following are what I have left to paint of the total 180 American G.I.s in the diorama. In the first two photos, the flesh parts are finished and many of the uniform base colors are on. I will finish these first.

g0_zpsf2d1c268.jpg


From above

g00_zps0206432c.jpg


After completing those, I will start on the remainder of the U.S. figures including both boxes. One of tank crews and the large box of headquarters personnel, photographers, news crews and M.P.s that will be surrounding Gen. Patton. Several of these, as you can see, have al;ready been painted. Some are box art I painted years and years ago. Since they were relevant to the diorama, no sense letting them go to waste and will save me a few days of painting.

g000_zps0f827cc2.jpg


I believe I can finish all 180 American figures by mid November. Then I have 40 German P.O.W.s, both being marched under guard and some seated wounded to ride back to the rear lines in the bed of a Deuce and a half.

When those are complete, that will leave 130 civilians, of which about 30 have been finished. My goal is to have all the figures finished by next spring. Civilian figures will go quickly as they are much easier to paint than military figures. Then I can finish off all the vehicles, all but one of which are built and base coated, most are completely finished, then I can begin to complete the diorama itself.
 
Logistics, The Figures Updated August 16, 2014

That is so great I would love to see your unbuild figure collection IT must be HUGE.
 
Logistics, The Figures Updated August 16, 2014

That is so great I would love to see your unbuild figure collection IT must be HUGE.

Thanks Dave,

Well, it is huge, but, I cheated!All those parts are not only from my many years of modeling. VLS would sell several hundred thousand figure sets a year. There was an average of about 2-3% returns on all products. The figures, when returned, were worthless if missing parts, so they were put in a large container by our shipping department and instead of throwing them away, I took them to my workshop every end of fiscal year. After more than 20 years, yeah, I think you could say I had a few! :yipee

Bob
 
Logistics, The Figures Updated August 16, 2014

Thats not cheating that is sound future planning and re-using :drinks
 
Logistics, The Figures Updated August 16, 2014

That is so great I would love to see your unbuild figure collection IT must be HUGE.

Thanks Dave,

Well, it is huge, but, I cheated!All those parts are not only from my many years of modeling. VLS would sell several hundred thousand figure sets a year. There was an average of about 2-3% returns on all products. The figures, when returned, were worthless if missing parts, so they were put in a large container by our shipping department and instead of throwing them away, I took them to my workshop every end of fiscal year. After more than 20 years, yeah, I think you could say I had a few! :yipee

Bob
Shalom Bob.

That's not only thinking about the future but it was recycling before recycling was popular.

Cheers
 
Logistics, The Figures Updated August 16, 2014

I was thinking I missed an update, glad I came a lookin'!

:notworthy
 
Logistics, The Figures Updated August 16, 2014

Thanks Luiz, Tankbuilder, James and Moon Pup!

I can't seem to get back on the bench. Too many visitors. Gail was just here with her half sister. (Different father) I am picking up Ken Jones, retired editor of Military Modelling magazine and his wife Sandra, at the airport this afternoon. They're here for three weeks, then on tuesday, my old army buddy from the fifties is coming to visit from Denver. Good thing we have lots of bedrooms!

Then we are all going to Springfield on the 29th to visit Gail. Gail and her best friend are both anglophiles and always have to see Ken and Sandra whenever they come over.

I will get this first batch done by november if it kills me.

Bob
 
Logistics, The Figures Updated August 16, 2014

Just mindblowing talent Bob :drinks I can't even imagine the impact of the finished dio on the senses !! :notworthy
 
Logistics, The Figures Updated August 16, 2014

this is really an amazing project :notworthy

I struggle just getting 5 guys finnished for a diorama! :facepalm

:popcorn

//Mats
 
Logistics, The Figures Updated August 16, 2014

Nothing to say that hasn't been said before :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

Have a lovely time Bob, family and friends around, bit of travel too, I'm with you on this one :D :D :D


If there is a demand for Brits over there, I can send one over pronto :rotf

:drinks
Laurence
 
Back
Top