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MODELING FOR COMPETITION AN EDITORIAL

MrT

Master at Arms
Staff member
To compete or not to compete that is the question. Whether is nobler to foster international fairness and equality or to enter the fierce and ruthless world of model contests.

In my travels around the web I have noticed several reoccurring themes that are common to them all; however I will focus on just one for now. The statement “I model just for my own enjoyment and not for contests” appears in one form or another on almost every modeling forum on the web. This attitude is by no means a bad one and if you can have this attitude and still excel at your craft then I commend you. For those like myself who don’t have the artistic fortitude of Leonardo daVinci, we need something to stimulate the perfection of our craft.

I believe the root of the “build for myself” attitude stems from a bad contest experience, the feeling of being outclassed, or the inability to take any kind of critique. Even those as passive as the kind given at your typical model contest. Believe me I have shared many of the same feelings like “This show is rigged”, “This is just a good old boys club”, or “The judges must be blind”. After a few contests I had convinced myself that I couldn’t win. The deck was just stacked too high. I just wouldn’t ever be good enough. Then, at one of our club meetings, an older modeler was complimenting me on the model I had brought. I made the comment “Thanks, but it won’t win anything”. He looked up at me with a knowing smile and took me aside and told me “If you want to be a better modeler? Learn what it takes to win”. From that point on my whole attitude about contests changed. With this simple statement and a little guidance I began to get better and more satisfied with my results, but the stimulus was the contest.

As you have by now surmised I am proponent of model contests. In my opinion the only way to excel is to put your models up against other modelers and see how they fare. For me the model contest is not about the $5.00 plaque. It’s about taking on the best in the room and winning and if not finding out how they won. Go to the winner and ask questions, take pictures of their work and analyze their work. Go to the judges and ask what they found amiss with your model. In other word use the contest as a tool to perfect your modeling work. With any competition modeling takes practice and skill, however all the practice and skill in the world is no substitute for combat experience. Contests keep you sharp and make you better if you choose to use them that way.

Now for those who are in the “I don’t model for contests” crowd I will repeat if you are satisfied and are perfecting your craft that’s wonderful. However I think there are some inherent dangers in taking this stance. 1. Your modeling skill will tend to stagnate. I work as a designer which requires me to make many drawings and I learned in school that designers and drafters suffer from a common disorder. That is after a few days of working on a set of drawing we begin to believe they are the best drawings ever made and are perfect. Enter the checker who proceeds to point out all the things we have missed and need to correct. The Checker is the most hated person in the engineering world because he dares to tell us of our failings. However without the checker many if not all drawings would go to the shop floor wrong and cost someone a lot of money. Modelers suffer from this same disorder. We set in dimly lit basements at a workbench under a high powered desk lamp and work for months on a model which when finished we believe is the best model ever made. At least until it’s put next to someone else’s. So to keep yourself from getting comfortable with your modeling skills you need some mechanism to keep you on the ball and a contest can do that because your friends may not have the heart to tell you your model is crap. 2. I think if you just model to please yourself you will eventually get bored. Without some kind of goal you will more than likely quit modeling altogether. I read all the time about modelers losing their mojo and they may not model for months. You need a goal and a contest could meet that need. Just think how long would a pro football team last if they never played a game against someone else. 3. You may develop the problem that many modelers have that is the inability to complete a build. They just keep starting new builds, but never completing them for the simple reason “why do I need to”.

I could list other things I have observed, and I’m sure some of you could too. This subject has been eating at me for a while now. I have presented my case of why contests are something everyone should participate in. The idea that some people think that those of us who compete just get our jolly’s by ripping up the new guys when they come to contest or that some may think they are on some higher plane because they don’t compete and are somehow above it all just cooks my tacos sometimes. Well just remember this is after all just my opinion. I think we can all agree that we all want to be better modelers and that’s why we are here. Feel free to comment that’s what this is for.
P.S.
Last week the forum was too damn quiet. That’s why I’m throwing a fire bomb into the camp. You can yell, scream, stamp your feet, or call me a dirty SOB, but for Pete's sake say something! This is a discussion forum. :rotf
 
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:yipee
I can truly say I was never at a modeling competion or have ever even seen one advertised in my country. For me its the pure enjoyment of taking a piece of plastic and forming it into a representation of some historical vehicle. the research part I also love. In the end I have that 57 chevy I can never afford or the plane somebody flew in ww2 or a cool piece of armor. Then there is the sci fi stuff that is just so cool also.

My greatest inspiration is the guys on the forums and my skype modeling buds that I talk to and share builds jokes and time with.
 
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Never entered a competition, but i would love to try it sometime.
I see the quality of the builds in the shows i been to, so i look and learn :)
What i see is that many times weathering is a little bit overdone.
But i guess that's how it is now, with all the nice products available.
But mostly you see the models that stick out is looking different than most builds, different camo schemes and either extreme weathered or not much weathering at all (very subtle).
I look forward to see the comments on this topic!
Thanks Terry for lighting the spark (or fire bomb) :)
//Mats
 
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BTW try doing an advertisement for an client that is color blind and has not got an artistic bone in his body - now that is my most hated person (Even if they are always the ones that pay promply and refer clients to you)
 
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Last week the forum was too damn quite. That’s why I’m throwing a fire bomb into the camp. You can yell, scream, stamp your feet, or call me a dirty SOB, but for Pete's sake say something! This is a discussion forum. :rotf

:vmad Terry,you fire bomb throwing SOB,you just let me read all that text! ;)

Got some awards...2 of them,and that's ok with me.I am really not a award collector. :laugh:
The thing with shows is that it seems you have to guard your models all of the time,...imagine a curious kid who sees models as toys...and touches it...and destroys your [maybe] award winning model...and the parents act like nothing happened,what's HE mad about!...it happens! :blink

Call me silly but that's the major reason I don't put my models on competition[much].

Greetings,Ron.
 
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Thanks Terry, may try my hand next show that comes around. (y)
 
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Hi Terry

Lots of good points. I have only entered one contest, but plan to do some more competeing. In fact my current
1/16 tank riders project is being built to enter at the AMPS nats 2013...and I'm running out of time!!!

I also work as a designer, and I swear I get a pit in my stomach everytime I submit drawings. I have looked
at these things for days but it doesn't take the checker more than five minutes to find errors...but everytime
I learn something.

Tom
 
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Different strokes for different folks. I enjoy modeling and don't consider being more proficient at it to be a goal I need to strive for. I think I would find it stressful to build a model specifically to enter it into a contest, heck I get stressed out trying to complete a model for a campaign deadline. I also feel that every model I complete has improved some skill and the fact that I'm never totally satisfied with any model leads me to believe that that is the incentive to improve and try different techniques. I have only been to one modeling contest and have never had any desire to compete. But hey, I've admired your work and if contests gets you where you want, more power to you.
 
For Pete's sake, I'll say something you dirty SOB but I'm too busy yelling, screaming and
stamping my feet and can't hear my self typing all this! :bang head
Now that thats out of the way......

I agree with everything you've said. If you want to get better, practice and see what the
winners are doing and learn from them.

There are things in it sometimes that will make you spit nails..... judges not experienced in
the category they are judging..... dinking a field mod on a tank with a reference photo
sitting next to it (don't ask).

Well said Terry.

ps. yer right...TOO damn quiet.

Mike B)
 
Believe it or not, I agree. I do ask the experts. Yet, I don't bring things to contests and I don't usually go to contests. Where I live, it is over an hour commute to the nearest meeting and my 'local' hobby shop, Hobbytown USA, is 30 minutes away.

For me, my deadlines were the articles I used to write and the commissions I built. Without them, my ADD makes it difficult as I see it hard to go back to a model once the challenge in construction is done. What I have completed have been for my son.

I have informed my good doctor (John Steinman) that I have a kit which will soon need painting. He is standing by... I hope!

Regards,
 
I gotta take issue with one thing.

We set in dimly lit basements at a workbench under a high powered desk lamp and work for months on a model which when finished we believe is the best model ever made.

HA! I've yet to do that. :pilot

Hey Joe, I'm with you. And really, trying to replicate what folks do on the forums has helped me grow as a modeler. I know I'm doing things that I never attempted anytime back when I was building with no one to look over my shoulder.
 
I've only ever entered models in the county fair. But eventually would love to try a big contest. Right now though I feel like my skills aren't quite there yet. But like Moon said I just try new things on every build and watch builds on here. Heck a few years ago I would have never attempted to try a weathered Japanese plane but I did and loved it.
 
Well, this has sparked discussion. I'm one of those who has said to Terry that I have retired from contest modeling. I no longer feel the need to compete and enjoy going to the shows for the vendors and to see my friends. Gone is the "killer instinct", the have to win feeling. I find I enjoy the process much more without all that. I have won more than my share of awards, have had model pictures published in model magazines, so you can't blame my attitude on bad experiences or anything of the sort.

I get my motivation here. I try new things, I ask for feed back and questions about how to do what I admire from fellow members. Stagnate, not hardly. :fencing
 
Ok Ill add my 2cents/pence

I do actually enjoy entering contests,.I love seeing what everyone else is doing, how mine compares, how I can improve, what can I do different all of those things

I enjoy talking about mine and other models and sometimes giving advice as well as receiving it (y)

John Bowery took me under his wing at one show I went to and gave me so much advice ,..he got me going to where I am now within a very short space of time

After living what was a mainly talentless life I find that I quite enjoy having my name called out especially by Shepard Paine at the MMSI Chicago show :blush:

Ego boost ? Well yes I suppose it is really but as that dirty SOB ( T ) says how can you improve if you dont pit yourself against others.
 
I have a view here that will be controversial…
It’s a view I usually keep to myself because I know it will not go down well.
I have never entered a show, I have been to a few for the trade stands but I don’t tend to even look at the show itself. Finished models hold no interest for me. I love WIPs, reviews, new stuff and all the activities of a forum, but a show ?? the finished product only interests me if I have seen it being built..I want to see how it’s done.
95% of my builds are thrown away within a week or two of being built. Some of you will remember my Wildcat and Sharkmouth P40 ? built in the last few months!! both are long gone. I simply don’t have any interest in them once they are built, to me it’s a bit like piecing together a jigsaw and not breaking it up again when its done..
Mr T says if you don’t enter competitions…”Your modelling skill will tend to stagnate” I don’t think my skills stagnate in fact I very rarely do a build unless I am trying something new to make it interesting.
“I think if you just model to please yourself you will eventually get bored” hmmmm, maybe one day but I started at 8 years old and still going strong at 53 !!
“You may develop the problem that many modelers have that is the inability to complete a build”. I have never started a build until I finished the last one.
“I believe the root of the “build for myself” attitude stems from a bad contest experience, the feeling of being outclassed, or the inability to take any kind of critique.”
I think if that was the case we wouldn’t be posting our builds on forums.
This is the key to all this
“He took me aside and told me If you want to be a better modeler? Learn what it takes to win”.
You hit the nail on the head as far as I am concerned ! Learn what it takes to win…, you see in the UK we have a very strict driving test, you have to learn how to pass ,swot up on the theory and practice the practical. Once you have won, sorry passed , the test,……………..you never drive like that again ;)
I don’t suppose my style of builds would go down well in a competition but to me it’s an individual artistic thing and I’m not going to change that to meet some judges criteria :(
Some people in life are competitive, some are not. Some find everything in life a competition, to have the best house, TV, a flash car, They often live this through their kid who are forced to be competitive as well :( there is nothing wrong with this but in my experience the happiest people are the ones who are at ease with what they do and happy with what they do, I don’t need some self-styled judge to stick a pin in my bubble thanks :laugh:
 
I have a view here that will be controversial…
It’s a view I usually keep to myself because I know it will not go down well.
I have never entered a show, I have been to a few for the trade stands but I don’t tend to even look at the show itself. Finished models hold no interest for me. I love WIPs, reviews, new stuff and all the activities of a forum, but a show ?? the finished product only interests me if I have seen it being built..I want to see how it’s done.

You're not alone. While I did run through the finished kits to create a photo report, both John Steinman and Mike Reeves can attest that I spent almost all my time with the vendors.

Regards,
 
I wont stomp or call you names but:

I believe the root of the “build for myself” attitude stems from a bad contest experience, the feeling of being outclassed, or the inability to take any kind of critique.

Nope, at least not in this case.

I only build for myself and I compete at model shows.

:v
 
I have had one good and one bad experience at local model club contests. Thats my history. I like to go and look at a model show to see what other people have done. I like to build for me. My lack of completion of models has absolutely nothing to do with not building for a contest. It stems from stress and from my body giving up on me. To decide I was going to build to win a contest even if I could would just increase the stress.
To say you cant improve unless you go to contests and learn how to win is ludicrous. Its like saying you cant improve your golf game unless you compete.
I build for me and as my attention wanders so too my modeling subjects. While not happy about not completing I am happy to be sticking plastic together with glue.
Since coming to this forum and meeting such talented modelers I am constantly learning and I even try new techniques, so thus improve.
Personally if a person is building to win a contest they are not building for fun, they are building for accolades and really the hobby is now a sport.
Just my thoughts.
James
 
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