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U-BOAT FOUND IN THE GREAT LAKES

MrT

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The U-boat was spotted for the first time by amateur scuba divers in late January and they had contacted the authorities. Archaeologists associated with Niagara University of and master divers from the U.S Coast Guard were mobilized on site to determine what it was, and they soon realized that they were dealing with a German submarine that sank during World War II.

The submarine was identified as the UX-791, a unique experimental German submarine, based on the U-1200 model, and known to have participated in the “Battle of the St. Lawrence”. It was reported missing in 1943 and was believed to have been sunk near the Canadian coast.

Professor Mark Carpenter, who leads the team of archaeologists, believes that the U-boat could have traveled up the St-Lawrence River, all the way to the Great Lakes, where it intended to disturb the American economy.

A report from the dated from February 1943 suggests, that the ship could have attacked and destroyed three cargo ships and two fishing vessels, even damaging the USS Sable (IX-81), an aircraft carrier of the U.S. navy that was used for training in the Great Lakes, before finally being sunk by anti-sub grenades launched by a Canadian frigate.

“We have known for a long time that the Nazis had sent some of their U-boats in the St-Lawrence River, but this is the first proof that they actually reached the Great Lakes,” Professor Carpenter told reporters. “This could explain the mysterious ship disappearances that took place in the region in 1943, and the reported “Battle of Niagara Falls” which had always been dismissed as a collective hallucination caused by fear.”

A wreck recovery vessel of the Great Lakes Shipwreck Historical Society was mandated to refloat the ship and bring it back to Niagara Falls, where it must be restored before becoming a museum ship. The delicate recovery operation took nearly 30 hours to complete, but the submarine was finally brought down on the bank with relative ease. The restoration of the submarine could take more than two years, but once completed, the museum ship is expected to become one of the major tourist attractions of the region.
 
While cool that doesnt sound right. As far as I know you cant get to the great lakes without going through a lock system. Now you got my detective nose twitching Terry :D
James
 
While cool that doesnt sound right. As far as I know you cant get to the great lakes without going through a lock system. Now you got my detective nose twitching Terry :D
James

Well a friend of mine sent me the article, however that doesn't make it true. It is an interesting idea though. Would make a good movie don't you think?

B)
 
I believe our Great Lakes U-boat is really the Russian K-159....

A November class sub...

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The question is how did a Soviet sub get into the Great Lakes??? Or did it???

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The link Helios provided links it to the World News. That paper was hysterical back in the 80s, with Batboy and all those great stories.

U-boats messed around quite a bit in the St Lawrence, but getting into the Lakes is a different story.
 
The link Helios provided links it to the World News. That paper was hysterical back in the 80s, with Batboy and all those great stories.

U-boats messed around quite a bit in the St Lawrence, but getting into the Lakes is a different story.

Maybe Hitler's body is on board?

:rotf
 
Very cool stuff guys. I know they sailed in the St Lawrence because ticket stubs were found in at least one for the theater in Monreal. A Russian sub, well thats even more peculiar and cool. This is great stuff Terry, something to research :yipee
James
 
Wasn't that where they were headed at the end of "Red October" ?

Thought it was some obscure harbor in Maine. :idonno

James we heard the same story along the NC/SC shoreline. Uboat sunk and one of the bodies recovered had ticket stub for a movie theater in Wilmington NC.

I've always wondered if getting into harbors like they did in the WW2 movies was feasible. Now sneaking past the lock operators, that's a tricky one. Maybe the camo the sub like a fishing boat?
 
St Lawrence is a pretty deep waterway, a lot of space to hide, unlike NYC areas or anywhere on the Continentl shelf. That made U-boat captains nervous, especially when the US got their act together regarding convoying and blackouts on the coast. Halifax and the Maritimes were a big staging area for groups headed towards the UK, fertile ground for early hunting.

Bottom line is U-boats didn't pose the threat history assigned to them, especially after 42 when the Allies got serious about ASW. Even when Churchill was raving against them in '41-42, I think it was 94% of shipping still got through as intended. Donitz had his numbers pretty early on, but coastal planes forced wolf packs so far out that patrols were short lived. Then the Enigma cracking meant the Allies could just steer around the patrol lines. Even if they could sink huge numbers, we were building more than could be lost. Towards 44 they didn't even repair them there was so much shipping available.

Up to D Day, Germany believed in the U-boats, blind to the code reading that was sinking them at will. The Allies had to be careful not to be too obvious, but even when they were, it made no difference. U-boat control would order a fuel rendezvous, the Allies would send a Jeep carrier to score both the Type IX milk cow and the VIIs looking for milk.

They thought the snort boats would stop the invasion, but they were decimated as they sailed. Snorts were unreliable, detectable by radar and gave visual smoke. Worse off, they rendered the U-boat blind and deaf since they caused so much vibration through the hull. Another histoically inaccurate claim as were the Electro boats.

Jeep carriers were my favorite, they carried some Wildcats and a few Avengers. The Wildcats would pounce, driving the U-boat under as the Avenger following with a homing torpedo. Certain death. So certain, Donitz ordered no more diving in the face of aircraft. Yikes.

Hey I guess the 1800 pages of Blairs 2 U-boat volumes rubbed off? :D
 
That is really intersting info! here is a wreck that I have dove on many times (in younger days, mind you), the EMPIRE MICA torpedoed in 1942 off Panama City FL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TVuMuLEcBM

abnd here also is another acutal U-boat I have dived, the U-352 off North Carolina

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvH147G4iF0

looks like time & hurricanes have done neither any favors
 
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