Brokeneagle
Master at Arms
Hello again and welcome back to my 'fantasy sub book' list - another hopeful.
U-516
Another great sub project - a unique version of the Type 9C in 1945.
The same Revell kit as used on U190 will be used again for U516 with varying modifications according to the specifications/detail changes.
- Launched in December 1941, it was a slotted style deck boat built by Deutsche Werft AG, Hamburg in their second batch of 12 boats (507-518) 1939-1941.
Over the course of the war the boat was up-graded with
- the longer larger tower (Turm 4) fitted with 2x Twin 20mm on the upper platform and a double 37mm on the rear lower platform of the Conning Tower (CT).
- Askania compass housing seperated from the front of the tower and a lifeboat container added in front of this on the deck.
- also in 1945 a 'fast dive' forward deck was fitted as with U190 [which allowed the boat to dive quicker due to the narrowing of the forward upper deck platform], however, when the deck was rebuilt there was no older section left at the front. The rear deck [in my opinion] was left as a slotted one with only the life raft hatch being updated.
- A late version snorkel, was fitted sometime before April 1945, where it was first observed with the device. It differs from U190's snorkel in its
- 1) position - further back on the right side of the tower with a clamp right in front of the upper wintergarten side rail.
- 2)This more rear position also brought a change in the hull next to the snorkel. The pump and activator machinery were housed with the later style equipment in an exstension that protruded further out from the hull (shown clearly in the diagram below, after the snorkel close-up).
- 3) The external air pipe running along side the CT was no longer needed when the pipe was moved further to the rear.
- then later (1945) a 'fast dive' forward deck which allowed the boat to dive quicker due to the narrowing of the forward upper deck platform. This deck also had a narrow rail track added (I think for easier torpedo loading with the new design).
Background.
In researching the Lisahally surrender diorama, I came across a great photo of another boat there, U-516.
In an earlier post this particular boat was going to be my original choice for the main subject in the surrender dio, with the other boats around it, however, after 'diving in deeper, I realised I could not identify the features of the surrounding boats as well as the group further down the pier [with U-802], so these became the focus for that project.
However, my research on U-516 led me down the 'rabbit hole' once again, highlighting some very interesting unique details with this particular sub.
U-516. Type 9C details
I had previously purchased a U-516 PE deck from RC Subs and had planned to model this sub in its 1945 condition at surrender but will now put this on a stand with all the extra modifications. In looking at the details further, I noticed the PE AFT deck pattern did not match the photos and realised it had possibly retained the original' slotted deck.
I will list below what I have found and match to photos I have attached.
- The 1945 version has had the tower upgraded to Turm 4, the deck modified to a Fast Dive config. and a snorkel fitted. The deck appears to be planked all the way to the triangular steel section at the front, unlike U-190, which had a section left slotted just prior to the steel triangle.
- Fitting of the Fast Dive Deck (FDD) has resulted in the forward section replaced from 'Slotted' to 'Plank'.
- Applying the thinking of shipyards not replacing the entire deck pattern for snorkels and such, I figured the rear deck , behind the tower, would not have been been changed unnecessarily.
- The final aspect that has 'clinched it' for me is the deck rails between the torpedo storage covers and the centre hatch pattern on the rear deck, which differs a lot from the later 'planked' pattern.
This image above clearly shows the rails and the spacers between the hatches as for an early slotted deck pattern(see PE for U-505).
This image shows the distinct pattern of 2 slots in the decking, next to the centre mounted slotted hatch and can be seen as well as the slotted directly aft - these do not appear on a 'planked 'deck pattern (see PE images and 868 image below).
-The lifeboat hatch covers may well be the later version and I will be modeling the deck detail like this.
In the initial photo you can also see that the original slotted pattern deck is retained right along the side of the tower as well like on U-190 below....
So this all amounts to a very unique boat with a forward FDD and planked construction back to the tower, with an early slotted aft deck section.
The other reason for this interest being the RC Subs PE for U-516 has a late model 'planked' rear deck configuration, which I think should be in the earlier U-505 config.[which I also have the PE deck for - see images for RC Subs and compare].
I plan to mix the two PE sets to create a more accurate model as I have not used the rear PE deck on U-505. I can then cut out the Life raft container doors and use the late versions from the u-516 PE.
I have based the pattern conclusions on photos and the PE patterns from RC Subs as I feel he provides an accurate set but has just missed this peculiar aspect of the boat.
MODEL STUFF
I will be including the following kit and after market details........
Underdeck, PE DECKS, 3D Print tower,.....the tower is very similar to the U190 tower, so I ordered another 3D PRINT update tower.
As a final note......
As a result of my research, I contacted the author of the 'Wolfpack articles, Dougie Martindale, owner of Accurate Model Parts and put my observations on this boat's deck pattern in some email discussions with him, as through previous emails he had mentioned he was working on a new article on the Type 9 U-Boats, which resulted in him including my info in his latest document (172 pages). I also got a special thanks in the acknowledgement section.
To say I was pretty happy to have my research on U-516 included and then get acknowledged is an understatement. Mr Martindale is one of the leading experts in the world on U-Boat details for modelers and his research on the Wolfpack articles has spanned more than 10 years. He sent me his new Type 9 document direct by email a few days ago and it is the definitive document for type 9 U-boat detail modelling. I think I have done well for a tank diorama/ artist guy to get in a U-Boat book and this certainly bodes well for my own projects motivations.
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