phantom II
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I did not realize that fine point . I always thought it was due to poor coloring or paint issues .
That brings up a question . Can you actually tell the difference in black and white pictures ?
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That brings up a question . Can you actually tell the difference in black and white pictures ?
RichB
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The orange can appear lighter than the red. The tricky bit can be that the aircraft came from RAF depots with RAF roundels. The squadrons would repaint with orange when time and material allowed so they could have both styles of markings in use.
A little trivia. The RCAF Maple Leaf Roundel was approved for use on the RCAF Ensign in June 1940. It's use on aircraft was delayed until January 1946. Other Commonwealth air forces would follow suit with springboks, kangaroos, kiwis, etc.
During the war some RCAF squadrons applied an 8" maple leaf roundel below the windscreen.
Cheers,
RichB
RichB
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It was part of the British Commonwealth Air Training Planagreement. British, Canadian, Australian and New Zealand personnel were in a common pool and assigned according operational need. RCAF, RAAF and RNZAF squadrons were formed under Article XV of BCATP and assigned numbers within the 400 block falling under RAF operational control. Squadrons that remained under national control (known as Home Defence in Canada) weren't included in the 400 block.
The South African government established a parallel Joint Air Training Scheme for SAAF, RAF and Commonwealth aircrew training so weren't under Article XV. The SAAF remained independent but integrated into RAF commands. They did have personel assigned from the other Dominion Air Forces to meet operational needs.
Cheers,
RichB
The South African government established a parallel Joint Air Training Scheme for SAAF, RAF and Commonwealth aircrew training so weren't under Article XV. The SAAF remained independent but integrated into RAF commands. They did have personel assigned from the other Dominion Air Forces to meet operational needs.
Cheers,
RichB
paddy
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I promise i wont bore you anymore with weathered north African aircraft after all we all have google 
Proof they were sprayed in the Field
again interesting surface texture/finish
Again Americans in Malta and well worn finish
I think i have idea in my head now of what i want to do, whether i can transfer it from head to model is another matter
Proof they were sprayed in the Field
again interesting surface texture/finish
Again Americans in Malta and well worn finish
I think i have idea in my head now of what i want to do, whether i can transfer it from head to model is another matter
Well it's not like you're posting tanks on broken bridges all over the place. These are interesting.
Spray painting in open air in the desert. Now you see where the texture comes from!
Heavens Eagle
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Cool!
Go for it Paddy!
Go for it Paddy!
paddy
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While still banging on about original wear and tear i have come across the answer to my original question.
Although this is obviously not in far east colours, this is the Spitfire Mk1a preserved in its original war time colours with wear and tear. Seen here in the Imperial war Museum in London.
Its odd for a Mk1 as its Green and grey but it served at an operational conversion unit later in the war after the Green and Brown was discontinued.
Imagine if you put your decals on crooked like that last picture the rivet counters would have you for dinner.
Although this is obviously not in far east colours, this is the Spitfire Mk1a preserved in its original war time colours with wear and tear. Seen here in the Imperial war Museum in London.
Its odd for a Mk1 as its Green and grey but it served at an operational conversion unit later in the war after the Green and Brown was discontinued.
Imagine if you put your decals on crooked like that last picture
the rivet counters would have you for dinner.
Very timely Paddy, I want everyone to notice how mottled that paint job appears.
RichB
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Spitfire AR213 at 57 OTU. The aft edge of the tailband followed the angled join line of the tail and the serial number was repeated on the fin flash. View attachment 188278
Cheers,
RichB
(From a the parking lot of a mall in Edmonton for a, "I won't be long" stop.)
Cheers,
RichB
(From a the parking lot of a mall in Edmonton for a, "I won't be long" stop.)
Good to know the mobile side of the site is working well.
paddy
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The earliest spit i have in my photos is P7350 Which is a Mk IIa, i just post this because it really shows how much smaller they were than the later common MkIX
Out of interest this was taken at the Dunsfold airfield, some will know it as the BBC Top Gear test track but it was actually the Harrier factory. Its about 10 miles from my home and several of my mates from school went there to do apprenticeships and work. They used to have a small fleet of test bed jets there including a Hunter and a 2 seat harrier, a sea harrier and a black HS125 which all made for great formation pictures.
Another variation on a theme is this MkV its my favourite of the lot of the restored aircraft as it still has that crackle and pop misfire when it rolls
not a great picture as i had to convert it from film. This was taken at Redhill about 6 miles from my home and was a forward fighter airfield during the war. Forward airfields didnt have much in the way of maintenance facilities so aircraft would disperse there during the day but often return to the main airfields at night, Redhill aircraft were Biggin hill based but would forward disperse during he day to Redhill as it got them 20 miles nearer the coast during the battle of Britain.
And by comparison a Mk IX note the larger tail and longer nose etc, this is at Biggin Hill about 18 miles up the road
Anyway enough of reminiscing, one day i should post some of my pictures and explode Bobs band width
Out of interest this was taken at the Dunsfold airfield, some will know it as the BBC Top Gear test track but it was actually the Harrier factory. Its about 10 miles from my home and several of my mates from school went there to do apprenticeships and work. They used to have a small fleet of test bed jets there including a Hunter and a 2 seat harrier, a sea harrier and a black HS125 which all made for great formation pictures.
Another variation on a theme is this MkV its my favourite of the lot of the restored aircraft as it still has that crackle and pop misfire when it rolls
not a great picture as i had to convert it from film. This was taken at Redhill about 6 miles from my home and was a forward fighter airfield during the war. Forward airfields didnt have much in the way of maintenance facilities so aircraft would disperse there during the day but often return to the main airfields at night, Redhill aircraft were Biggin hill based but would forward disperse during he day to Redhill as it got them 20 miles nearer the coast during the battle of Britain.
And by comparison a Mk IX note the larger tail and longer nose etc, this is at Biggin Hill about 18 miles up the road
Anyway enough of reminiscing, one day i should post some of my pictures and explode Bobs band width
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I dare ya!
Post it up in the Media, it'll be a great slide show.
Brokeneagle
Master at Arms
Great photos Paddy! Thanks for posting them.
I have always loved the MkVb in its desert cam with the Vokes filter - looks mean! I intend to do a painting of one at some point.
In the meantime i always loved this photo for a ref on weathering a spit in desert/ Med cammo. Panel lines clearly stained and no color is actually a solid one when looked at as an overview.
My 2 cents on the weathering subject, as I thought I might 'weigh in' with it being my thing, as I don't build clean models and never have.
Its the same process when you paint any military vehicle or plane as a model or a 2D artwork. No color is one solid layer except the 1st base coat, after that each layer is mottled with darker small patches, then fading is added on top and shadows/ stains on top of that. Then if you are adding dust as the final weathering you can use oils or Acrylics in a very light drybrush method(in small areas) to simulate darker imperfections and stains on top of the dust, which works a treat.
End result is what you see below
I have always loved the MkVb in its desert cam with the Vokes filter - looks mean! I intend to do a painting of one at some point.
In the meantime i always loved this photo for a ref on weathering a spit in desert/ Med cammo. Panel lines clearly stained and no color is actually a solid one when looked at as an overview.
My 2 cents on the weathering subject, as I thought I might 'weigh in' with it being my thing, as I don't build clean models and never have.
Its the same process when you paint any military vehicle or plane as a model or a 2D artwork. No color is one solid layer except the 1st base coat, after that each layer is mottled with darker small patches, then fading is added on top and shadows/ stains on top of that. Then if you are adding dust as the final weathering you can use oils or Acrylics in a very light drybrush method(in small areas) to simulate darker imperfections and stains on top of the dust, which works a treat.
End result is what you see below
Respectfully disagree about that filter, it's like those conformal tanks on an F16. Takes away from the sexy lines that nature gave these aircraft, like putting baggy pants on Marilyn Monroe.
