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Charlie Still Don't Surf! OH-6 Loach References

Sharkmouth

Information Overload
Staff member
Before and after...
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"Side-view of four shot pod . Rocket pod and mini was installed and serviced by Tony "Limey" Holmes."
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"LOH during run-up for testing, after installation of 4 rocket pod and mini. Rockets were usually W-P to mark targets for Guns. We usually had to throw smoke anyway. Pilot on left Rodney Orten. June 68 Camp Enari"
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"Jay Eldridge LOH CE, Gary Lee 40th TC, and Rich Hefferman LOH CE/OBS taking a break at Camp Enari '68."
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M60 with modified buttstock and M79 Grenade Launcher:
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"Thats "Quick Draw" McGraw. Photo taken at Ca Mau. Quick Draw and I got shot down together and I spent November in the hospital. He quit flying scouts after that episode.
Image courtesy of Jim "Moon" Sheetz"
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"Rich Hefferman Scout CE/OBS feeding ammo into minigun ammo box and feed tray."
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"Scout low level and going to work, not sure of the AO. But it sure looks pretty. Late '68 or '69"
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"Notice the bullet-proof glass able to withstand .51 cal. hits. While surrounded by a titanium core able to deflect even 37mm cannon fire. Right, if you wanted to double the skin all you had to do was line it with beer cans. Also visible is a red smoke grenade suspended by a D-ring. There are more smoke grenades lined across the top of the instrument panel. The M-177 mini-gun mounted in back cargo area was a real crowd pleaser, even to us CE's that had to reload it all the time. The first time it was fired right beside my left foot was cause for some excitement. Throw in a Car-15, an M-79 grenade launcher, an assortment of CS and CN grenades, a few frags, and my personal favorite White Phosphorus. The pilot's .38 Smith and my Colt .45ACP and we were good to go."
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"Scout pilot Freddie Wilson unloading a supply of 2.75 rockets at a staging area South of Pleiku. Dec '67 before Fred was transferred to B Troop Maintenance Section in Jan '68.
Bill Walton photo"
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"Another day begins, a pair of Scouts pulling pitch, leaving the Base Camp at Enari. This is where you get that funny feeling, I can't explain it. But I'm sure we all know that feeling well. But after you cleared the wire that feeling went away. The yellow cord in foreground is a tie down for LOH blades.
Enari '68"
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"Scout heading for revetment, the flying might be over but there is still plenty of work to do. The ship still needs to be post flighted, log books need up-dated. Any maintenance needed must be done. If the ship has a mini-gun it needs cleared and reloaded, and in my ship's case you may need to reload 2.75 rocket pod. Of course, you already know, the hot shower is out and the Mess Hall closed.
Camp Enari '68"
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"Tim Flood left wearing the 60 ammo, Steve Moody, pilot,sitting in back of LOH. At Dak Seang mid 1970. Crewchief needs ID.
Tim Flood photo"
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"LOH being prepped for flight aboard the USS BRETON"
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"LOH lifts off and hovers before turning and heading for shore."
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"Photo taken moments before LOH noses over and disappears into the Sea. Unsure of what mechanical failure caused the loss of first 17th Cav aircraft."
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"Mike Piccone at what looks like POL at Phan Thiet. CAR-15 between the seats. Hey Mike, nice job getting someone else to pump the fuel. I know, somebody has to keep an eye on the ship."
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"OH6G!!!! One day in the spring of 1968, in Pleiku, we ran completely out of UH-1C gunships in my unit, B Troop 7/17th Air Cav. With the assistant of our Armament Specialist Anthony Holmes I converted a OH6A into the now well known OH6G, complete with rocket pods and 40mm turret on the nose. Of course it was not flyable, could not even be hovered, but it did look Tough.
Image courtesy of Bill C Walton, Former Maintenance Officer, B Troop, 7/17th Air Cav"

Circle Red X Ranch's Secret Weapon OH6-G
SP Holmes helped me assemble this mini-gunship. The rocket pods were held on by angle iron that we picked up. The turret is a shell held on by safety wire and the 40 mm tube (hidden by shadow) is a rolled up manila folder painted with black shoe polish. Although these "modifications" were a joke. I like to believe that some of the later improving modifications to the OH6 and UH1 such as in (OH6) fuel boost pump and improved fuel control to overcome fuel percolation problems, better skid caps, metal tail rotor blades (recall the fiberglass blades and the question, "When is a crack not a crack?) bigger holes in the tail rotor formers to prevent scoring the tail rotor drive shaft and my favorite, a built-in lifting device on top of the rotor head. UH1, foot mikes for the door gunners, better screen on the oil coolers to prevent FOD, all the result of the aggressive Equipment Improvement Recommendations (EIR) program started by our Maintenance Sgt SFC John Bonds.

From the very beginning at Knox he was constantly on the crewchiefs, and I passed his words on to the pilot's, to submit EIR's on anything they thought could be improved in either type of aircraft that we had, not just parts that failed before replacement time. At the last count 110 EIR's on the OH6 had been submitted by B Troop. So if the pilot's of the 2nd and 3rd generation OH6's thought they had a pretty good aircraft, they owe a lot to Bonds and others like him throughout the Army Maintenance system.
photo Fred Wilson
text Bill C Walton"
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Note the different set of teeth here:
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Hugh Mill's equipment and Loach:
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A few more of Hugh Mill's 17340:
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"Cpt Black and SP 5 Tim Flood doing the paperwork after finishing the day at AO."
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"Lt Steve Moody taking a break. Looks kind of cramped to be comfortable."
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"Re-fueling at Dak To POL ."
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"Boys in the yard (L) Need ID, Whitley, Hawkins, Clark, Huzway, Holloway and need ID"
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"Hawkins working late. Updating the log book."
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"Joe doesn't seem to be enjoying his work today."
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Note the bumble bee
"Tim Flood(l) wondering what the hold up is all about."
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"Pulling the blades off. Seems odd looking with the doors on."
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"Building a sand bag platform to land broken skid LOH."
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OH6 sits perched on top of sand bags after a slight mishap with a tree. Camp Holloway 1970
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Left skid is missing and struts and supports are twisted.
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The pilot hovered the ship for over twenty minutes while the sand bag perch was put together.
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"Ron Clark doing I don't know what seated on LOH."
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"The Jiffy Pop was sent to me by my mother. Note the altered exhaust coming up the side/rear above the engine. When the 'bad guys' started using SA-7 heat seeking missiles, the Army altered all exhaust outlets to dissipate the heat. Operating procedure required a two minute idle before shut down to stabilize temperatures within the turbine, so I and many others would taek advantage of that to heat rations, or in this case, cook up a batch of Jiffy Pop!!!
Image courtesy of Ken Snyder"
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Scalp hunter Patch (Scout Platoon) '69 and later
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"OH6A Repair-Two B Troop mechanics work on the tail rotor system of a OH6A in one of the Scout "Hangars" We had a maintenance shelter on top of come conex containers and this was big enough to get a UH1 helicopter in so it could be worked on in relative comfort, but the OH6As were left to fend for themselves and maintenance was performed either in the revetments or on the PSP pad in front of the Maintenance Tent. To me this photo looks like two Monks working on a religious Icon and believe me these guys were every bit that serious. B Troop submitted over 150 Equipment Improvement Requests (EIRs) on the OH6A suggesting some mechanical changes that would make it a better aircraft, and I feel sure that every unit that had them did the same.Some of the suggested changes showed up in later production aircraft, Rotor Head with sling loading eye built in, improved exhaust system and metal tail rotor blades. B Troop also had the first OH6A in Vietnam, according to the Army Aviation Heritage Foundation. But I wonder about how this was determined, since the lst OH6A to leave the carrier off of QuiNhon immediately made a right turn and crashed in South China Sea, and it didn't belong to B Troop. The pilot survived and all he got out of it was a broken thumb, as I recall.
Image courtesy of Bill C Walton, Former Maintenance Officer, B Troop, 7/17th Air Cav"

"Gear Box Repair
Most maintenance on the the OH6's was done in the revetment's, under various weather conditions. This picture has a sort of "religious look" about it to me. Reminds me of hooded monks working on a religious idol. Our OH6 mechanics and crewchiefs were very religious about proper maintenance and everyone who flew the "Bumblebee's" owes them a vote of thanks.
photo and text Bill Walton"
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"CW2 Olsen at staging area '71"
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"WO Pete Bradsell at flight line Camp Holloway '70"
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"Photo of ship piloted by CW2 John Beckman in late 1970 after action in AO just outside An Khe. Pete Riesenberg was flying in Lead Scout as Observer and Mr. Beckman was flying wing with an unknown Observer. The Lead ship had made 3 or 4 passes down through one of those areas that give you the creeps. They switched positions with Mr. Beckman's ship. Mr. Beckman's Observer was a new WO who was learning the ropes to fly Scouts and they took over Lead position. During their first pass, they received fire and took hits. Mr. Beckman was hit across the left side of his face by small arms fire. He was awarded Purple Heart for wound. A few inches more and things could have been a lot worse."
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"Standing l-r Dave Russell, Larry Vieley, Dick Cross, John Applegath and Tom Hanks. Kneeling l-r Walter Carpenter (KIA) and Rich Oglesby."
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"You Call, We Haul - Scout pilot Lt Freddie Wilson unloads a OH6A full of 2.75" rockets at a field site northwest of Pleiku, in Dec 1967. In January 1968 Freddie became a part of the Circle Red X Ranch (B Troop) Maintenance Team and his two years experience flying the OH6A were of great value to the maintenance effort.
Image courtesy of Bill C. Walton"

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"OH6 at Kontum- One of our OH6As, flown by WO Ron Nelson (right) had a maintenance problem at nearby Kontum. WO Larry Shelton (left) and I flew with a part and a Tech Inspector, Sp5 Jonathan "Grandfather" White (foreground), to Kontum and got it flyable again. We did not have the parts or people to send out with our daily unit missions, we operated on a "you call-we come" basis and this worked quite well. Sp5 White is noteworthy for two reasons, he was the oldest man in the 7/17th Air Cavalry Squadron and he was the only crewchief ever left behind in a "hot" landing zone.. On 8 Feb 68, during the TET offensive we had a OH6A shot down near Kontum. Lt Fred Wilson and I flew the recovery aircraft, White was a crew chief on the 2d UH1-H that was used to pick up the OH6 recovery team, after they had rigged the aircraft for sling loading. Everything went well, Fred and I picked up the OH6A and departed. But somehow, when White's aircraft departed, he was still on the ground!!! This shortage was not immediately discovered and when it was there was a fire fight going on in the area and the crew didn't think they should go back in. It took White about 2 1/2 days to make it back to Camp Enari and he was ready to "kick some ass" when he finally showed up. The aircrew apologized to him and the Troop Commander counseled them about their responsibilities.
Image courtesy of Bill C. Walton"
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A pair of LOH's heading to the AO. The tension begins to mount as you wonder what the day will be like.
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Cruising on by, "You have got the lead, for now."
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Up close and personal. WO Shafer, SP Moses front seaters, and need the ID of GIB probably the ships CE.
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A pair of LOH's clearing the runway at an unnamed staging area.
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....taking hit's !!"
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"Pete Peterson, Scout platoon Crew Chief, September/October, 1971
Image courtesy of Jim "Moon" Sheetz"
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"Outcast down in Delta
Image courtesy of Woody Mashburn"
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Manual illustrations are next... maybe @MrT will pick up that Loach again? :pilot

Regards,
 
I have been looking at the minigun and sighting unit trying to figure out how it works. Is the minigun angle preset or can it be rotated up and down and then how does the sight work with it.

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I have been looking at the minigun and sighting unit trying to figure out how it works. Is the minigun angle preset or can it be rotated up and down and then how does the sight work with it.
From one of the posted photos, note the angles:
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TM images will make it clearer/

Regards,
 
"Here's a picture of the seat attached to aircraft 16435 before it was damaged. The person in that picture is Gene Groves my crew chief. The next picture is me in front of the same aircraft. I understand the someone in Houston recently restored this aircraft. The bullet damage occurred in Feb/March of 1971. We were working just South of the U Minh Forest between the forest and the ocean. We had a hot area and called in the Cobra's for a rocket strike. Normally we would climb to around 1200 ft and wait for them to finish before going back in. But that day, because the terrain was rather open, we stayed low and away from the action. While circling that area a bad guy stepped out of hooch and fired several rounds at close range with an AK 47 at us. We took several hits including the one in the armor plating. Neither Gene or myself were hit and the bad guy paid for missing us. I joined C/16th on May 8 1970 and was assigned to the lift platoon due to a shortage of pilots at that time. During my time in the Four Horseman I flew a lot of C and C, especially when Major Frierson was the mission commander. After much begging I got assigned to Outcast in November 1970 and stayed with the Outcasts until I DEROS on May 7, 1971.
Image courtesy of Doug Hicks, Darkhorse 14"
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Engine Wash with Tide
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"Hugh Mills or Mike King (I can’t remember) making a tight turning pass over my spot at the end of the Moc Hoa airstrip. Notes: I intentionally asked him to make the pass so I could get an image of what an NVA would have seen when a C/16 CAV scout overflew him in 1972
Image courtesy of Bob Hesselbein"
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"Engine Wash: An important part of the preventive maintenance program on the OH6A aircraft was a weekly internal engine wash with hot, soapy water. While someone cranked the engine the soapy water was poured slowly into the engine intake, resulting in cleaning out some of the Pleiku dust and heliport penta-prime. The end result was bubbles out the exhaust pipe and better engine performance. It was quite a procedure to get the hot water, but my jeep driver Herman DeAtley knew where to get it. Since we had 10 OH6s we tried to do one or two a day, every day. We used Tide washing powder and I decided to send Tide a letter and picture with the cutline" Dirt can't hide from intensified Tide, even in Vietnam" I thought maybe the manufacturer would send us a case or two of this product, but all we got was a "Thank you for Using Tide" letter.
Image courtesy of Bill C. Walton"

"" A relatively clean engine is a happy engine."
I had just completed running two gallons of soapy water through this OH6 engine, as you can see by the soap suds on the ground. This was a monthly preventive (hopefully) maintenance procedure, attempting to wash some of the Pleiku red dust out of the compressor. We sent a picture of this procedure to Tide hoping they would send us a case of their product. All we got was the standard "Thank you for your interest in our product" letter.
photo Larry O Banks
text Bill Walton"
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For those wanting to add the Tide box, here are some photos of a 1968 box:
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"CWO Robert Paulk ( KIA 24 MAY 68 ) stands near the results of a "spin to the right" in an OH6A.
The small tail rotor hidden behind the massive vertical fin, did not provide sufficient control of the aircraft under certain conditions and could result in a "spin to the right" and subsequent crash.
photo and text Bill C Walton"
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"Spin to the Right
While inspecting an OH6 that had suffered a spin to the right SFC John Bonds was probably thinking to himself. "All we need is a new rotor head with four new blades, a new tail boom, tail rotor drive shaft and tail rotor, plus a little work on the vertical fin. Should have it back up day after tomorrow."
Bonds was like an old hen with 27 chicks (11 gunships, 6 lift ships and 10 scout ships) and he worried about each one of them on an individual basis. I think he took his worries with him when we went on R&R to Bangkok and was happy to get back to make sure things got done and none of his "chicks" got hurt.
photo and text Bill Walton"
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"SP Jon Crow LOH CE (R) assisting LT Uwe Lindner in solving an OH6A maintenance problem on the heliport at Camp Enari. Crow didn't say a great deal but took obvious pride in his work and was a valuable member of B Troop Maintenance.
Photo and text Bill C Walton"
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"A maintenance discussion lead by our Chief Tech Inspector SP6 Ora Mircle, concerning this OH6 that obviously had a hard landing, as indicated by the bent tail boom. Also, the outer 1/3 of the horizontal stabilizer is missing, a frequent occurrence on this type of air craft.
Photo Text Bill Walton"
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"CW3 Bill C Walton and WO Bob Schulte flying 160019, bring OH-6A 986 home. The crewchief of 019 was Amadeo Sandoval and he was noted for his maintenance skills and really taking care of 019. He considered a write-up for a fault, by a pilot, as a personal thing and always took immediate corrective action to be sure his aircraft was as flyable and safe as he could make it.
photo by Fred Wilson"
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"Fred Wilson and Bob Schulte flying 023 bring back an OH6 with a problem to Camp Enari for maintenance. B Troop Maintenance got pretty good at this procedure.
Bill Walton photo"
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"A recovered OH6 is returned to the 569th at Phan Thiet Oct 68"
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"Lt Fred Wilson (l) and I in front of B Troops Maintenance Tent. SP Garret(l) works on an OH6 rotor head, while SP White(r) is obviously on a "mission" In Dec 67 after a couple of weeks of " meeting myself coming and going" I suggested to the Troop Commander that it would be beneficial to assign a 2d Officer to Maintenance to help spread the work load around. All the other Troops in the Squadron already had two Officers and I felt we deserved the same. In early Jan Fred showed up and he said he was there to help. He and I had a good relationship both on and off the flight line, and we shared a room after we finally got permanent barracks.
His OH6 expertise, acquired by a year of flying it, was a big help in the efforts of the Circle Red X Ranch.
This photo was sent to illustrate the first of four long letters to the editor of my hometown newspaper, The Johnson Graphic in Clarksville, Arkansas. My wife (Krys) was living there at the time and so was Fred's aunt. The letters detailed some of B Troops activities, the changes in Viet Nam since '63, etc.
Text Bill Walton
Photo Ora Miracle"
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"OH 6 S/N #992 at revetments Camp Enari."
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Another fake :D

"OH6E
The OH6E(Eliminator) sits ready for launching on a "mission." This was the first "modification" to the OH6 Weapons System by SP Anthony "Limey" Holmes. Of course, it was a joke but it did look menacing.
photo Bill Walton"
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"Field repair of an OH6A near DakTo. A hastily called conference discusses the repair, while it's pilot WO Ron Nelson(r) waits to get back in the "fray." Others in this photo I recognize are WO Larry (Peanutbutter) Shelton(l) and SP White in front. This is the same OH6 that was shown earlier being carried back to Enari.
photo and text Bill C Walton"
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"SFC L.D. Lovell (l) sits watching repair work on OH6A. Need identification of others in the photo. Unsure of how long Lovell stayed with the unit. photo and text Bill C Walton"
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"WO Bob Schulte (cargo seat) taking a break at Dak To, while the crew chief takes a nap under the ship. Not long after this was taken I got a call that Bob had been shot and that I was supposed to pick up his OH6. When I arrived at the aircraft and saw the carnage I knew I would never see my friend Bob again. We patched up the aircraft and I brought it "home." I was sitting in the Maintenance Tent trying to decide what to write his wife, when I heard a familiar voice yell out. "Hey Bill, you got anything I can fly?" And in strode Bob with a huge bandage on th back of his head. One of the rounds that hit his ship hit the ceramic panel where he was sitting and these shards cut the back of his neck like an icepick. To say I was glad to see him would be oversimplifying the matter. After a couple of weeks he was back flying OH6s.
Photo-text Bill Walton"
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"One of our better hangars where OH6 Maintenance was performed.
Carl Kopp (r) was the Allison Engine Tech Rep who replaced Larry Banks. Carl and I went back a few years as he had been a crewchief in a CH34 Company with me, in Germany. I am in the middle and need ID for SGT sitting in OH6.
Photo Ora Miracle
Text Bill Walton"
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"SP6 Miracle with an OH6 on a very lonely beach North of Phan Thiet. He and I had made a parts run to Pleiku and were returning as a flight of two. WO Sheeley (sp) was flying the other OH6. We heard a loud bang followed by a severe vibration, followed by an autorotation to the ground (Probably the best one I had ever made as there were no long skid marks in the sand) The vibration continued and since OH6s were prone to not start when hot, I did not want to shut it down if possible. We suspected that the tail rotor drive shaft damper had failed. So Miracle climbed out to see if he could find the source of the vibration. No luck, so I told Sheeley we were going to shut down. He replied that he would make sure that no one snuck up on us. A little aside, Miracle had one week till DEROS and I had two weeks. I shut the aircraft down and we started going over it. We discovered that the tape used to seal the joint on one of the tail rotor blades was missing. Figuring this might be our problem, I removed the tape from the other blade and re-started the aircraft. There was no more vibration so we headed on to Phan Thiet. After arriving we talked to Sheeley and found out his mini- gun had NO ammo and he was "covering us" with his .38 pistol. I saw an OH6 in Columbus in May, it had metal tail rotor blades. " Little things mean a lot"
Photo-text Bill Walton"
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Since I posted Fireball Modelworks decals which are well researched (but I missed out on), I may as well post AOA decals which are also well done (and on their way to me for 'guess which' scheme)):

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Regards,
 
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Note that the inertia reels are both inboard when armored:
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Series 1 & 2
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Series 3
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Regards,
 
Not that I know of. The strella kits came out later when F Troop 4th Cav. moved from Lai Khe to Phu Bai, which was farther north into I corps area and took on the NVA invasion of '72. Gary S. LGB XLV MMXXIV
 
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