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TOPIC: Tamiya P-38F build

Tamiya P-38F build 08 Oct 2019 22:56 #1

I have been having build mojo depression the last few months. Since I had not felt like building any models, other things have been finished up. The vac table and a few other little projects have been successfully finished (YAY!)

So when I attended the Nationals and won an opportunity to buy the new Tamiya P-38E/F kit I went ahead and bought it. While at the Nationals Moon Puppy and I were walking through the dealer room and we stopped and visited with a new paint supplier "Scale Colors". He gave me 5 bottles of color and a bottle of thinner to use for a review.

Here is the first installment...










Ok folks, I am editing this here (10-31-19). The paint (in my opinion) is a fail. The problem seen in the next photo also was happening when mixed with the supplied paint thinner for airbrushing. It also seemed to happen to a lesser extent when mixed with water and the thinner. Finally in my eyes the interior green is too light and does not really seem to cover all that well. The Vallejo Air Green Chromate matches to the old Pactra Zinc Chromate Green quite well and brush paints and sprays much better.

In addition it really gums up my airbrush. Every use "required" a full disassembly to remove the green goo that formed over all the internal surfaces. This coating would form within just a few minutes (5 to 10) of pouring the mixed paint into the airbrush. If you are looking in this for the first time jump to the next page to post #18 and you will see photos of the paint failing. In addition when the paint is dry, it isn't really hard, it has a rubbery tendency that is apparent when scraping it away for glue adhesion.

If you use any of the various methods to do paint chipping this could screw that up entirely. I am not going to attempt to use this for any of the other painting on this build. I have a number of paints that are much better and way easier to use. They are tried and tested and can be counted on to work as expected.

I just in all good faith suggest you avoid the Scale Colors paint.




































As stated I am liking the new paint. It sprayed through my extra fine airbrush just fine. It goes on quite thin and all the detail on the part still shows through just fine. I will be trying other paints over it for detailing in the cockpit and the cockpit parts are being used as a test for how well the paint bonds to the plastic (without washing the parts first. I should have some more observations in a few days.

Thanks for looking in.
Last Edit: 19 Nov 2019 23:32 by Heavens Eagle.
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Tamiya P-38E and New Paint build review 09 Oct 2019 01:07 #2

Thanks for sharing Paul.
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Tamiya P-38E and New Paint build review 09 Oct 2019 01:39 #3

Very cool!... :popcorn

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Tamiya P-38E and New Paint build review 09 Oct 2019 06:52 #4

Thanks Paul, glad Jeff stepped up offering to replace the paint. How's the other colors looking in the bottle?
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"If you don't like it why don't you just let it be"
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Tamiya P-38E and New Paint build review 09 Oct 2019 07:14 #5

Could not find any hint of what this new color is . I'will therefore assume that it's another Acrylic :idonno

Regards, Christian B)

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Tamiya P-38E and New Paint build review 09 Oct 2019 07:51 #6

"Scale Colors" Chris. Has his businesss card in the 3rd picture.

scalecolors.com/
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"If you don't like it why don't you just let it be"
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Tamiya P-38E and New Paint build review 09 Oct 2019 09:25 #7

Skinny_Mike wrote:
Thanks for sharing Paul.
:popcorn

Thanks for looking in Mike! I hope to get back on this either some night this week or at latest, this weekend.
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Tamiya P-38E and New Paint build review 09 Oct 2019 09:26 #8

lupanzer wrote:
Very cool!... :popcorn

Luiz.

Thanks Luiz! The early P-38s have a different engine look that I wasn't aware of. Definitely a cool look for sure.
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Tamiya P-38E and New Paint build review 09 Oct 2019 09:34 #9

moon puppy wrote:
Thanks Paul, glad Jeff stepped up offering to replace the paint. How's the other colors looking in the bottle?

The other paints are just fine Bob. I used the interior green color to paint the cockpit. Then as it seemed a little light to me, I did a mix with a little olive drab to darken it slightly to accent and darken the lower cockpit a little.

Spraying is a little like you are supposed to spray Vallejo, very fine with a lot of passes. It did cover quite well without a primer. Of course when you don't use a primer there is less paint thickness to hide detail.

I wanted to see just how well the paint bonds straight to the plastic and the cockpit is the safest place to do that. As it is interior it wont see any handling after it is installed so I am doing it over uncleaned plastic. Enamels always have done fine for me with acrylics to add detail. This will be my first kit to do acrylic base colors.

The only negative I kind of have with the paints actually doesn't refer to the paint. The clear bottles are VERY stiff and hard to squeeze the paint out of. The look good and are easy to see the color, but man they are stiff.

Broke out my ancient Robart paint shaker and used it to mix the colors. Had a little trouble with the OD not wanting to shake/mix a while back and pulled the tip out and mixed it by hand with a steel wire. Once it was mixed up some it does fine with the paint shaker.
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Tamiya P-38E and New Paint build review 09 Oct 2019 09:38 #10

moon puppy wrote:
"Scale Colors" Chris. Has his businesss card in the 3rd picture.

scalecolors.com/


Which in itself tells me nothing about whether it's acrylic , enamel or lacquer. That is the most useful bit of info there could be . I don't really care who makes it.

Regards, Christian B)

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Tamiya P-38E and New Paint build review 09 Oct 2019 09:41 #11

phantom II wrote:
Could not find any hint of what this new color is . I'will therefore assume that it's another Acrylic :idonno

Regards, Christian B)

There is the card in the 3rd photo Christian. I am testing this without primer as I really hate the extra layer of primer on a tiny model. I am impressed with the way the paint is bonding to the cockpit parts so far.

Airbrushing is similar to what is suggessted with Vallejo, lots of light coats. It did cover well and is quite thin. I did a scrape test on a part that needs to be cleaned off for gluing and it seemed to have bonded with the plastic. I am also applying some of the Interior Green color with a brush to cover and clean up some of the detailed areas.

As to the kit I am finding the cockpit detail a bit light. Granted it is 1/48th and I am used to adding a ton of PE to kits, but this one is driving me up the wall a bit. As I stated earlier, my AMS is kicking in hard. We will see how well I deal with it.
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Tamiya P-38E and New Paint build review 09 Oct 2019 09:45 #12

phantom II wrote:
moon puppy wrote:
"Scale Colors" Chris. Has his businesss card in the 3rd picture.

scalecolors.com/


Which in itself tells me nothing about whether it's acrylic , enamel or lacquer. That is the most useful bit of info there could be . I don't really care who makes it.

Regards, Christian B)

They are supposedly and acrylic polymer Christian. According to what we were told and the Nationals, the polymer sets up with air contact and fully bonds after a week. The sample plane that was there they applied the decals directly to the paint (no clear coat) with Solvaset. This is what I do with my kits over enamel paints. So we will see.
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