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Modeling for Competition 18 Aug 2015 11:46 #49

An artist's technique is to look at the piece in a mirror. After working on a piece for awhile your eyes become used to any mistakes. Seeing it in the mirror changes the view and gives you a fresh look bringing mistakes to the surface.

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Modeling for Competition 18 Aug 2015 12:43 #50

Another great "old school" tip Rich! :thumbsup

Yes Swordsman I too use my camera for that. Great tip! :thumbsup
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Modeling for Competition 13 Dec 2018 15:01 #51

Let's get this fired back up, what do you guys think?
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Modeling for Competition 13 Dec 2018 16:00 #52

Why? Mediocrity does not need skill.

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Modeling for Competition 13 Dec 2018 16:53 #53

Well, I'm sure there are plenty of folks that don't want to build a gazillion pieces of crap and would like to get better at modeling.

Or we can just call it good...

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Modeling for Competition 13 Dec 2018 20:59 #54

Iron Mike wrote:
Let's get this fired back up, what do you guys think?

this has been on my radar, just pushed aside with other things.

I wouldn't mind firing it back up.
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Modeling for Competition 03 Oct 2019 11:21 #55

Bringing this back to the top. Amid the discussions of contests and shows, the specter of how models are judged recurs. How should classes be arranged? Who should be allowed to enter a class? When is someone too good to enter with the gen pop? What about the no sweeps rules?
Let's hear it, what are your thoughts? :hmmm
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Modeling for Competition 03 Oct 2019 11:50 #56

Well concerning my recent experience at Armorcon, and some of the grumblings from other entrants at least in the AMPS system, maybe anyone who wins a best-of is elevated to Masters Level?

In the AMPS system if you can start at any level, but it is recommended that you start at the beginner level. If you earn a Gold at that level you advance to intermediate (at a national show, regional advancement is optional and maybe it shouldn't be?). Earn a gold in intermediate advance to Advanced. And that is it unless you win a BOS at the nationals, then you move to Masters and only compete from then on in the Master's class. They are still eligible to win best-ofs, but not BOS at the nationals.

I see a couple of problems here.

1. Advancement is only mandatory at the Nats. This can leave a good modeler in a group they shouldn't be in. Now in AMPS you really don't compete with others in your class, you compete against a theoretical perfect model. How you do, has no bearing on how others do, so everyone in the class can win Gold, or no one can. So maybe this is a mute point. In the AMPS system the only time you compete against others is for BEST OFs. Here the skill level of the modeler doesn't matter, only the overall score. Perfect is 30.5, if you don't have that, you are out of the running.

2. Generally what happens is people who win BOS at the Nats - never compete again. They may attend the shows, but they rarely enter. While this only "knocks out" one a year, we are an old group, and really do we want to do this? Maybe a modeler who wins a Best of or BOS at any show, regional or national is advanced to Master. This would create a larger pool, and maybe we would see less attrition. As masters only compete in the masters class - ie no DIO no Vignettes, not open top halftracks etc, what they bring goes into the master's class. This allows others to win Best of and prevents sweeps. Masters could win Best of Masters and still would be eligible for BOS.

This is what comes to mind right now, I am sure I will think up others. As for IMPS - I'm sorry, I see no way to fix that cluster. The last IPMS show I attended these fools were measuring the height from wing to table - there is no hope for them.
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Modeling for Competition 03 Oct 2019 16:55 #57

I agree, AMPS seems to have the best arrangement of contests. Having the skill levels and point system helps keep the peace, beginners are not pitted against masters and if you happen to get ten above average models in a category, they would all get awards, rather than being limited to first, second and third. Their requirements that judges be certified keeps the process more accurate, rather than pulling people from the club to fill the position. I especially like the feedback left on the scorecards from the judges.
I tend not to "hover" around my models, people that do that really bother me. I understand wanting to hear what others think of the model, but some pontificate about the build, to the point that one can't even get a good photo angle.
The mess that is IPMS is just that, so I avoid those. Damn the penlights and magnifiers, part of a good build is how it looks and if you have to use a crutch to find a defect, you're looking too hard. This is supposed to be fun.
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Modeling for Competition 03 Oct 2019 17:02 #58

Well I've heard plenty of whining at AMPS shows. Don't kid yourself the local clubs know who's models are who's and personal preferences are still front and center.

And heh I use a pen light because I want to see the cool stuff. :rotf

And if some judges use a wing chart while judging are mental cases. :blink:

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Modeling for Competition 03 Oct 2019 18:03 #59

Using a penlight to see details is one thing, using the critical light to spot defects is bad form.

There's always going to be whining at shows, just saying the AMPS idea works better for me.
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Modeling for Competition 03 Oct 2019 19:51 #60

JSteinman wrote:
Well concerning my recent experience at Armorcon, and some of the grumblings from other entrants at least in the AMPS system, maybe anyone who wins a best-of is elevated to Masters Level?

In the AMPS system if you can start at any level, but it is recommended that you start at the beginner level. If you earn a Gold at that level you advance to intermediate (at a national show, regional advancement is optional and maybe it shouldn't be?). Earn a gold in intermediate advance to Advanced. And that is it unless you win a BOS at the nationals, then you move to Masters and only compete from then on in the Master's class. They are still eligible to win best-ofs, but not BOS at the nationals.

I see a couple of problems here.

1. Advancement is only mandatory at the Nats. This can leave a good modeler in a group they shouldn't be in. Now in AMPS you really don't compete with others in your class, you compete against a theoretical perfect model. How you do, has no bearing on how others do, so everyone in the class can win Gold, or no one can. So maybe this is a mute point. In the AMPS system the only time you compete against others is for BEST OFs. Here the skill level of the modeler doesn't matter, only the overall score. Perfect is 30.5, if you don't have that, you are out of the running.

2. Generally what happens is people who win BOS at the Nats - never compete again. They may attend the shows, but they rarely enter. While this only "knocks out" one a year, we are an old group, and really do we want to do this? Maybe a modeler who wins a Best of or BOS at any show, regional or national is advanced to Master. This would create a larger pool, and maybe we would see less attrition. As masters only compete in the masters class - ie no DIO no Vignettes, not open top halftracks etc, what they bring goes into the master's class. This allows others to win Best of and prevents sweeps. Masters could win Best of Masters and still would be eligible for BOS.

This is what comes to mind right now, I am sure I will think up others. As for IMPS - I'm sorry, I see no way to fix that cluster. The last IPMS show I attended these fools were measuring the height from wing to table - there is no hope for them.



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